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The best outcome this weekend would be for the Giants and Commanders to tie again (believe it or not) or a Commanders win because of the tough remaining schedule for the Giants, the Lions win the tiebreaker if they go 9-8 and the Giants and Commanders go 8-7-2 and if it's a 3 way tie with Seattle also going 9-8, the Lions would win that tiebreaker because of conference record so a tie or Washington win is what we should root for in that game. I'm having a hard time envisioning the Lions winning all 3 road games in December conditions so I'm looking at the path at 9-8. 10-7 and the Lions will almost certainly be in I'd think.

That's fair. I thought you were insinuating that he's a product of McVay.

He's playing the best football of his career right now away from McVay. In fact, he started playing good football right around the time Lynn was fired and they starting allowing him to throw a pass past 5 yards so it's a larger sample size more than just this season. Sure, there's no doubt that McVay played a big part in his early career success (or Fisher was just that horrible) but that has little to do with his success now. He actually had to be "rebuilt" after the McVay teardown.

Goff succeeding now sort of dispels that theory, the narrative that McVay is the reason for Goff's success. It's bunk.

I don't disagree with any of that. I'd also add the factor of Stafford being the homegrown product compared to Goff being "thrown aside" by his former team so it'll take more for Goff to be in the good graces of Lions fans. Also, Stafford has that dynamic to his game with the arm talent and propensity for late game heroics that endeared him to a good portion of the Lions fanbase so I get it. I guess I'm just saying that if you look at their career results, in a vacuum, there's some striking similarities. Of course this doesn't take into account other factors like the ones you've touched on already but I'm just saying that Goff probably deserves a little more leeway because of a proven track record of success at a high level. With all that said, I was one of the vocal Goff detractors last season but he's starting to win me over so I've almost done a complete 180 in becoming a vocal supporter of his. I also want this regime to work out really badly, moreso than ever in my Lions fandom, because they're all from coaches to players very easy guys to root for. In Goff's case, I feel like he's become somewhat of an underdog story (which sounds weird because he's a former #1 overall, two time pro bowler, near SB champion) who has gotten an unfair shake from the media I feel so it makes it easier to root for him to overcome. It also doesn't hurt that his fiance is... well.... pretty easy on the eyes lets just say. 😉

My general point is that they've had a similar career path so I just find it interesting that a lot of those who stuck by Stafford through thick and thin aren't doing the same with Goff. FTR, I agree with you that there are reasons to not be completely sold on Goff as THE guy going forward. I'm just saying that isn't far fetched to compare the careers of Stafford and Goff at this point in their development.

Keep in mind about the Hornets that this was Lamelo's first game back from injury so it was against a healthy Hornets team, not the team they've been all season, and Lamelo looked like he didn't skip a beat although he sat in the OT. Regardless, it seems like Hayes and Stewart have taken a step forward in their development which is all we can ask for this season. Would be nice if Bey was more consistent though but he never really has been.

We're talking about career trajectory, not the style of QB. I thought that was made clear, no?

Well, their careers have taken some very similar trajectories. It's not like Goff is being compared to Brady. Both were picked #1, both struggled mightily in their rookie season then vaulted to Pro Bowl level early in their career then hit a dip in Years 4-6 only to have a comeback season in Year 7. The similarities in terms of career trajectory, not style of play, are strikingly similar and is worthy of comparison especially since there were so many here who defended Stafford for years and are skeptical of Goff now. FTR, I'm not completely sold on Goff either but he has the pedigree and a proven track record of success so why can't he be the QB of the future? I'm not entirely convinced he has but he does have the track record to think that maybe he could be.

Those stats need a lot of context. LEts examine the road games after New England in particular when everybody was a disaster... The Dallas game he was playing with practice squad receivers, literally none of them would be in the starting rotation when healthy (remember St. Brown got hurt early in that game). He did make a couple of poor decisions in that game regardless. Not a good game. He played solid, mistake free ball against the Bears and engineered a long TD drive in the clutch. Still down a few receivers btw. Giants game. I don't think it showed in the stats but I thought he played a solid game. He didn't need to do much because they were frontrunning most of the game and made some critical throws to my recollection. There's a couple of factors that limited him on the road. Lots of injuries to skilled position players and game management. He's clearly playing better at home especially now that the receivers got healthy on this homestand and they've opened up the playbook more but he's been just fine on the road since the New England game. Not dynamic but good enough to win. This will be the first road game all season that he'll have his full compliment of receivers so it'll be interesting to see if they open it up a bit.

What's the point of moving him for a pick that far into the future and a protected one at that? Unless they parlay it for something more immediate, like they did with the 2025 Portland pick in the Duren trade, then I'd rather just hold on to Bogdanovic for another year. They're going to need to start winning at some point so they need good vets next season, he's a high level locked up at reasonable dollars. Burks is the more likely trade bait anyway. Maybe they could get a couple of 2nds for him. Diallo is another guy I could see being on the way out.

The Lions can't afford any more losses so the teams behind them are irrelevant. Arizona is done regardless, time to root for the 4-5 win teams to win games for the sake of a higher pick at least IMO.

Why are you rooting for the Pats? We should be rooting for Arizona for Rams draft pick purposes.

Great out of town results. Jaguars and Panthers win for bean benefit and Giants and Seahawks lose for playoff benefit. As good as we can ask for outside of Denver almost pulling the upset over KC.

17-0. Big game for the Lions.

Players getting healthy (they were ravaged by injury in that NE game) and a coaching staff that is adjusting partly due to having a more full roster. Also, that NE game was a one off. The Lions could have beat the Eagles, Vikings, Dolphins and Seahawks so now they're learning how to win. Hell, I think they very well could have won the Dallas game if they didn't lose every receiver to injury. This might actually be a good team, I know... crazy.

I was being sarcastic. I know who he is and about the guarantee, I'm just saying that he's a nobody with a big mouth.

Who? Exactly

IF Ben Johnson isn't elected Mayor of Detroit right now, there's something seriously wrong with Detroiters.

Well, they had their 3rd or 4th best corner on an island with Theilen for some reason. Regardless, they're going to draft a corner high in this draft, I have little doubt of that.

Goff is playing like an elite QB. Ben Johnson is a playcalling genius. Both guys bringing their A game today.

Yeah, ideally this is Casey's final season since next season should be the beginning of the "winning" stage. He'd have value to the organization in another role but they desperately need a new voice behind the bench if they have designs on making a push up the standings next season.

Oh I don't disagree but Baker made numerous key throws in the final two drives that Wolford wouldn't have made. The Raiders, and that utter clown McDaniels, did their part to choke that game away as well. I think the Rams win 1 or 2 more. It'll come down to tiebreakers since they'll likely be in that mess of 7-8 teams with similar win totals. This win was a killer for those hoping for Anderson or Carter. Those guys are more than likely out of reach now.

Well, this aged poorly. The Rams lose that game if Wolford starts. Now we're likely looking at a pick in the 7-10 range which is still nice especially considering how the Rams looked going into the season but still a bit disappointing based on recent events.

Yep, that's a big one. The Broncos have a ROUGH schedule so if the Rams beat them, the pick isn't going to be higher than 3. The Bears also have a tough schedule, like REALLY tough. I think 4 at best is the most likely scenario which will be a good spot because they'll have a shot at Anderson or Carter (I personally LOVE Carter) or if both are taken, it's trade bait for a QB needy team. We just have to hope that the Rams don't fall in with a bunch of those current 4 win teams or it could slide to the bottom part of the top 10. The New Orleans loss on MNF really stung.