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But I think where we are talking past each other, I agree with Lee, is that while what you say is technically and morally correct, in practical terms most people will not be giving it the consideration that you are. The 3 of us are because we're baseball nerds and thoughtful people. Most people don't bother to think about where lines are. I sincerely hope Manfred thinks like we do and if he doesn't then he should not be on the baseball HOF board of directors.

9 grand slams for Javy? Is that a lot?

As good as the season's been it's been especially great for the redemption stories like Javy, Tork, Mize.... and Z-mac.

I did some travelling last week to visit cousins and between that and the Pistons I have so much to catch up on. No Andor yet and we need episode 3 of Last of Us.

Yes, as stated nothing other than the required number of voters voting for him is keeping Bonds out. He's on the ballot. he's not kicked out of baseball. The people entrusted to vote for him at this stage of eligibility haven't done so. When it comes time for the Veterans ballots he'll probably get in, as will the others.

They know it does but they have to convince the minions that it doesn't. One the one hand you have cabinet members and press secretaries and favorite media members saying "This will hurt but it has to hurt in order to work" and their boss saying "We didn't do this' Both of those can't be true.

Regarding the baseball HOF.... they are a non profit with their own board of directors. I just checked and it does include Mandred, Reinsdorf, Art Moreno, and a handful of former players like Ripken, Griffey, Ozzie, and BIggio. But also business leaders. I"m sure they are governed by a set of bylaws that can't be deviated from so anything regarding Pete's election to the HOF would go through the normal channels, meaning he has to be voted onto a ballot then voted again for unduction. That means 24 out of 32 people have to agree to put him in. (12 of 16 on each). That is a tall order.

I don't think they'll get a lot of bad press. They will from die hards in outlets with small viewings. But on CBS This Morning or NBC Today or The Bob and Joe Zany Zoo Morning Show in Santa Fe, NM they will be talking about it in a not so negative light. Your average person on the street who knows who Pete Rose is will say something like "It's been long enough, the man is dead, gambling sponsors the games... it's time" That's the depth they will take this. I don't know what Manfred will do. My gut says nothing will change but I wouldn't bet $100 on it.

all of what you said is true.... and in a weird way now makes me think there's a chance they will do it. The last time this came up with Manfred his comment or statement was effectively "Why? What's changed? There's no reason to do it now vs 5 years or 10 years ago" Many of us here are dead against it but I think we're in the minority. People under 40 don't care, to them Pete Rose may as well be Shoeless Joe. Some old guy who was last relevent 40 years ago. And baseball doesn't care if they piss off old people. Think about it... Pete's prime is as far from us now as Shoeless Joe's prime was when Rose played. I wouldn't put it past Manfred to consider that in a resintatement. He gets good press and the only expense of upsetting dinosaurs mad who are still whining about pitch clocks and DH's.

I'm back in my "tune out" mode because frankly... it doesn't matter. There's nothing that can be done until January 2027 at the earliest if the GOP loses the House. The Senate is a huge long shot. Even then I won't put it past this admin to do extreme events like declaring Martial Law or whatever or to keep arresting judges.

the best teams still lose 3 times a week

Honestly I would have guessed longer.

We put the AC on today. My display said it was 86 outside. It was 83 in the house and the windows were open but the wind was blowing crap everywhere. It’s going to be 40 at 7 am.

I knew her from Dallas, Carrie, and Nightmare on Elm Street. 100 year old. What a life!