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    Good.
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    Community is on edge right now... just terrible
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    Bouchard has to be the last of the Oakland County Good 'Ol Boys standing, right?
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    I take back all the bad thing I've said about Jon Heyman lolol
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    If history is any indicator, the jobs numbers will end up revised significantly next month.
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    It's too bad all they are gonna get is involuntary manslaughter. That's all I can say
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    G2 actually touched on this yesterday, but yeah, the question of skillset that ballplayers have is an important one and whether they have translatable skills for post-retirement. Especially the ones with just a high school education. Like, once they retire, what kind of employment can they attain? I'm assuming most, despite making a dramatically higher annual salary compared to the average person during their careers, are not going to be wealthy enough to just not work a day for the rest of their lives. Just logically, that reality I think magnifies the need to maximize value.
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    It's definitely all about business.... the players, like anyone working any job, are trying to maximize their value. It's not that hard to figure out. What sort of grinded my gears at times during the debate yesterday is that the job of a player is without risk.... that's just a tremendous amount of bullshit. Not every major leaguer was drafted in the first round and signs a big contract, a lot of these guys defer a lot of earning potential and live off very little (perhaps even taking on debt) to get through the minor leagues. Within that context, I'm not shocked that players are going to fight for every dollar they can in a multi-billion dollar enterprise... it's completely rational.
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    I can imagine an executive for a large gun manufacturer saying this without a shred of irony...
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    The fact literally came out in the article that ewsieg posted. Still doesn't make it acceptable
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    One thing is for certain, though... they'd bring in the scabs and still charge the same rates for tickets, beer, merchandise, etc.
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    Not to mention Bud Selig... somehow Manfred is worse!
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    Maybe Willi Castro can file a class-action lawsuit...
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    I'd be more receptive of this argument if states like mine weren't busy eliminating existing regulations on guns (as I mentioned before).
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    As opposed to Archie's world, where everyone who doesn't agree 100% is a gun grabber? Maybe, just maybe, the only two options in this debate aren't "unfettered access to guns" and "eliminate all the guns".
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    Definitely. One thing I would suggest is that part of the fundamental disagreement on this thread also boils down to whether one sees the issue of minor league compensation intrinsically linked with MLB compensation piece, or whether they are just compartmentalized issues. I would tell you right now that I'd probably have a little less sympathy for the players if most of them didn't have to sacrifice so much on the front end of their careers in order to get to where they have gotten. I think there is a lot of sacrifice, I don't believe that, paraphrasing JBK, they all get massive preferential treatment in school or have significant support systems to help them as they advance. I'm sure a few do, but many (especially foreign born players) likely do not. Just given all of that, I just don't blame players for trying to maximize their value. I really don't.
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    This is the point that I was trying to get at in my last post. I have no doubt that there are MLB players in the league today who me, average person with average engineering job at in my low 30s, will outearn over the course of my lifetime. Not even including any earnings on 401k or other retirement compensation. And yeah, that doesn't even get at the ones who don't ever get out of the minor leagues.
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    You mean fans don't just show up at Comerica to watch Chris I count his money?
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    Forget the fans, there's probably another Steve Cohen (Dan Gilbert?) who would take them if the Ilitches wanted out.
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    Another thing I don't get about those who hate the players for trying to maximize their value is how people sort of ignore the whole service time aspect of it. The average MLB ballplayer plays for 5.6 years, at least as of 2007 (maybe it has evolved). Do I make less money annually as an engineer than a ballplayer does? Yes. But I'm also gonna be able to work upward of 40 years in my career. Hell, I'll probably make more money in my 40 year career than some MLB ballplayers do in their big league careers. So again, with the sacrifices made (with many who make sacrifices who don't ever make it to the big leagues) and the limited timespan of an average MLB career, I don't blame any of them for maximizing their value. Not one bit.
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    You really think this is the case for every MLB ballplayer? Really?
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    I just recently started a new job. It was even remotely as risky as the decisions that someone like Jose Cisnero likely had to make to play baseball. It just wasn't.
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    You realize that there are a decent amount of major league baseball players who don't make millions, right? I don't think you can have a conversation about the earnings of major league baseball players without discussing the fact that these guys were all once minor leaguers and, a majority of them, had to defer salary doing normal jobs and do things like living with host families in order to accommodate their pursuit of the big leagues. Hit the "laugh" button all you want, those are risks.
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    Here's the thing about the players: aside from the fact that most of these guys aren't making $10 million or more, they are also doing a career that has a limited lifespan as well. Take Jose Cisnero. He had his big payday in 2021, making $970k, and will get a bump in pay in 2022, but aside from the earlier seasons in the league (with Houston) and his first couple of seasons in Detroit, wasn't drawing a ML salary between 2015 and 2019. Wasn't it a risk for someone like him to keep competing at lower levels in order for another chance at the big leagues after his first stint?
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