This is a pretty old interview. Not defending the idiot, just saying we've learned much more about it since then. And we still continue to. When Biden first took office, the 2 shot vaccines were considered essential to protecting us from catching covid. It was something like 90% protective (or more). Along came Delta and that % went way down. A booster was needed to get out protection % back up. What we ended up doing was creating a bunch of asymptomatic people. People who could spread it but weren't sick themselves. The anti-vax idiots saw that as proof the vaccines didn't work. They actually hoped vaxxed people got sick and died to prove they were right. I have a (ex)friend I had a rational talk with. He came right out and said he really believes anyone who gets vaxxed is going to die from the vaccine. He really believes this. That rabbit hole is really deep and it isn't possible to change their minds. There is a very real possibility that by the middle/end of January, we'll be in a total crisis with overflowing hospitals and record numbers of serious cases and deaths from all the holiday gatherings. I really hope I'm wrong but all the signs point to that happening. I have a neighbor who is also an anti-vaxxer. These people will not wear masks or social distance. They call it "personal choice" but to me they're just inconsiderate and ignorant. Bottom line? IMO, we're doomed.