gehringer_2 Posted June 4 Posted June 4 21 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: By the early to mid70s most of the blue collar Democrats switched parties. Make that white blue collar Dems. What had become the party of Civil Rights held the Urban working Black vote but that only re-enforced the effectiveness of the dog-whistle racism that Nixon grafted into the GOP and has been there ever since. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted June 4 Posted June 4 My dad fits all the stereotypes of a Trump voter; white, male, boomer, factory worker, high school education, lives in Macomb County, but still has never voted for a Republican. He wasn't one of the Regan Democrats. All his former coworker buddies from Ford are Trumpers. He never got caught up in Fox News. Quote
chasfh Posted June 4 Posted June 4 11 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: No, I clearly said Michigan to which you replied with a Gecko meme. I fairly interpreted what you had said as being most influential from Michigan. If we're talking about just influential in Michigan, then I don't know what that has to do with her power within Congress or the Democratic Party, which is where the conversation was going. If you are in the final analysis implying—or perhaps even flat out stating—that Tlaib lost the election for Harris by costing her the state of Michigan, then I would reply that had Michigan gone for Harris instead, Trump still would have beaten Harris by a score of 297-241. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 4 Posted June 4 7 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: My dad fits all the stereotypes of a Trump voter; white, male, boomer, factory worker, high school education, lives in Macomb County, but still has never voted for a Republican. He wasn't one of the Regan Democrats. All his former coworker buddies from Ford are Trumpers. He never got caught up in Fox News. maybe he just doesn't want his kid to disown him... Quote
Motown Bombers Posted June 4 Posted June 4 13 minutes ago, chasfh said: I fairly interpreted what you had said as being most influential from Michigan. If we're talking about just influential in Michigan, then I don't know what that has to do with her power within Congress or the Democratic Party, which is where the conversation was going. If you are in the final analysis implying—or perhaps even flat out stating—that Tlaib lost the election for Harris by costing her the state of Michigan, then I would reply that had Michigan gone for Harris instead, Trump still would have beaten Harris by a score of 297-241. The post you responded to said in Michigan. Are you intentionally being difficult? Quote
Motown Bombers Posted June 4 Posted June 4 7 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: maybe he just doesn't want his kid to disown him... I will say, he's basically lived around black people his whole life. Grew up in Detroit and didn't leave the city until 2009 when he moved to Eastpointe, the only black city in Macomb County. I gave some people a pass on voting for Trump in 2016, but I've cut everyone out who voted for him a 2nd or 3rd time. My mother nor my siblings have ever voted for Trump. I have cousins who did and I didn't want to talk to them anyways although they are Vikings fans and I can finally talk **** to them now. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 4 Posted June 4 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: he's basically lived around black people his whole life. It's a fact that you see people differently when you actually see them, and not some journalist's or author's or TV scriptwriter's or Hollywood director's or your crazy uncle's version of them. I know absolutely that I am a different person for all the people I knew that I would not have known if my parents had moved to suburbia 20 yrs before they did. One of the closest I've ever come to losing it in a public place over politics was on a cross country National Parks tour we made a few years ago. We're sitting having breakfast in a restaurant close to the middle of nowhere in maybe Wyoming or Montana, and a table full of locals is carrying on about blacks and immigrants. I would give any odds no-one at that table had spoken to either in anything less than years, if ever. The urge to go tell them they didn't know WTF they were talking about was strong, but happily my sense of self-preservation was stronger, plus the SO would have driven away and left me there if I had been that dumb..... Edited June 4 by gehringer_2 Quote
chasfh Posted June 4 Posted June 4 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: The post you responded to said in Michigan. Are you intentionally being difficult? No, and I hope you're not being unwilling to grant me the grace of an honest misinterpretation. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted June 4 Posted June 4 37 minutes ago, chasfh said: No, and I hope you're not being unwilling to grant me the grace of an honest misinterpretation. Are you going to telling me a more influential congressman in Michigan or not? Quote
pfife Posted June 5 Posted June 5 11 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: "Her little enclave" is enough to throw Michigan to Republicans. She literally ran a campaign against her own party's nominee. Lol Quote
pfife Posted June 5 Posted June 5 10 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: She's the most influential congressman in Michigan and put money and resources into a campaign to not vote for Biden and Harris. Shes the most influential congressman of your crappy posts 1 Quote
pfife Posted June 5 Posted June 5 11 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: I wish it were so. But every seat in the US Congress matters, even if she doesn't matter as an individual character it's also true that the other side gets a lot of by mileage nationalizing their messaging against the dem's loonier members just as the left nationalizes their against Jim Jordans/MTGs etc. And MB is correct that no matter how you want to tally the total effect, she was more a detriment than aid to the Presidential ticket in '24. Even if you grant that it was Harris herself who put herself at risk with Arab Americans, Tlaib, as a Palestinian, could have provided a measure of political cover by exemplifying that was still important to support the ticket against Trump as a net gain, but instead she did basically the opposite. Trump and gop voters were a much larger detriment to Harris's campaign, by a lot. Quote
pfife Posted June 5 Posted June 5 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: Are you going to telling me a more influential congressman in Michigan or not? Dingell. Obviously. Try facts. Quote
pfife Posted June 5 Posted June 5 Tim Wahlberg chairs a House committee. Tlaib doesn't. That Tlaib is the most influential from Michigan is ridiculous on its face. Get off hashtag election twitter and more importantly quit making this forum hashtag election twitter Quote
pfife Posted June 5 Posted June 5 11 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: Even a simpleton like myself can understand fact check: false Quote
Motown Bombers Posted June 5 Posted June 5 I bet this is good, but I don't give a **** what this fool has to say. Quote
pfife Posted June 5 Posted June 5 (edited) Yep I cave you in at the time of my choosing. per yoosh Edited June 5 by pfife Quote
pfife Posted June 5 Posted June 5 Did rashida influence you to put me on ignore 2 mins after you showed i wanst on ignore Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 5 Posted June 5 1 hour ago, pfife said: Trump and gop voters were a much larger detriment to Harris's campaign, by a lot. Of course the other side is working for the win, since when is that an excuse for you to essentially work with them when you are supposed to be on the other side? Quote
pfife Posted June 5 Posted June 5 (edited) 8 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Of course the other side is working for the win, since when is that an excuse for you to essentially work with them when you are supposed to be on the other side? No one called it an excuse for Rashida. It was clearly a fact based rebuttal to a message board post pontificating rather terribly on the cause of the result of the 2024 presidential election A rebuttal you just agreed with. I might add. Edited June 5 by pfife Quote
Motown Bombers Posted June 5 Posted June 5 6 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Of course the other side is working for the win, since when is that an excuse for you to essentially work with them when you are supposed to be on the other side? She literally told people not to vote for Biden. Pointing that out triggers people apparently. Quote
pfife Posted June 5 Posted June 5 That's not even addressing the obvious fact that he was calling her the most influential congressperson in Michigan and we'll just pretend Harris didn't lose a bunch of other states besides Michigan because that inconvenient fact doesnt work with blame rashida for the loss. Quote
pfife Posted June 5 Posted June 5 3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: She literally told people not to vote for Biden. Pointing that out triggers people apparently. sack up weakling Quote
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