Tiger337 Posted Monday at 05:05 PM Posted Monday at 05:05 PM 3 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said: I voted for Harris, what in the hell are you talking about? See, this is the problem right here, the right is in power and doing something so you instinctively jump in to take the exact opposite side. And you probably sit there wondering how a convicted felon managed to get elected. Am I right? LOL, way to tell that lefty EWSIEG why he thinks the way he does. Quote
mtutiger Posted Monday at 05:06 PM Posted Monday at 05:06 PM 5 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: It's not obvious to me because there have been numerous cases where they have detained or deported people who should not have been detained or deported. I would hope that the majority of violent arrests involved dangerous criminals, but mistakes have been made. The fact that that one of the officers was politicizing the arrest as it was happening makes me think he was not professional enough for the job. Yep.... it never really gets addressed whenever this topic comes up, and it really should. Quote
GalagaGuy Posted Monday at 05:12 PM Posted Monday at 05:12 PM 9 minutes ago, mtutiger said: I guess I'm unclear why it's anybody else's job other than *yours* to back up *your* argument. It's not *my* job to prove *you* right. Anybody who has ever sat through any high school level course should be able to understand this. The fact that you seem more than willing to make claims yet resist even the mildest suggestion of providing some sort of backup to said claims seems worthy of just dismissing said claims out of hand. 4+ federal officers descending on and beating the ever loving **** out of an unarmed food delivery driver looks like a lot of things... "targeted" isn't one of them. The dude was fighting the officers, what exactly do you expect the officers to do, run away? Of course they're going to fight back and get the suspect into cuffs. Have you ever seen the video? Quote
GalagaGuy Posted Monday at 05:15 PM Posted Monday at 05:15 PM 6 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Yep.... it never really gets addressed whenever this topic comes up, and it really should. So because a mistake might be made, the obvious solution is to just stop enforcing any immigration law? Also, not even sure what you consider a mistake but I'm willing to be that most of them are just a difference of opinion and not a blatant screw up. Quote
mtutiger Posted Monday at 05:23 PM Posted Monday at 05:23 PM 9 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said: The dude was fighting the officers, what exactly do you expect the officers to do, run away? Of course they're going to fight back and get the suspect into cuffs. Have you ever seen the video? I did see the video. I stand by my comments. Quote
mtutiger Posted Monday at 05:25 PM Posted Monday at 05:25 PM 8 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said: So because a mistake might be made, the obvious solution is to just stop enforcing any immigration law? Ahh yes, clearly the only two options are "wide indiscriminate dragnet that sweeps people up and asks questions later" and "not enforcing any immigration law". No in-between, nosiree lol Quote
GalagaGuy Posted Monday at 05:26 PM Posted Monday at 05:26 PM Just now, mtutiger said: I did see the video. I stand by my comments. So tell me, when a suspect starts resisting arrest and fights with the officers, what should they do? Quote
GalagaGuy Posted Monday at 05:27 PM Posted Monday at 05:27 PM Just now, mtutiger said: Ahh yes, clearly the only two options are "wide indiscriminate dragnet that sweeps people up and asks questions later" and "not enforcing any immigration law". No in-between, nosiree lol What point are you even trying to make here? Are you saying this guy is in the country legally and doesn't have an order of removal and active warrants? What exactly does some other hypothetical mistake have to do with this case? You people just throw random ass gripes at the wall hoping one of them sticks. Quote
mtutiger Posted Monday at 05:28 PM Posted Monday at 05:28 PM (edited) 1 minute ago, GalagaGuy said: What point are you even trying to make here? You claimed these arrests are "targeted"... the video that you just shared shows an arrest that clearly isn't targeted in any way shape or form. If it was "targeted" there wouldn't be 4+ of them there beating up on a single food delivery driver. Edited Monday at 05:29 PM by mtutiger Quote
romad1 Posted Monday at 05:28 PM Posted Monday at 05:28 PM 2 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said: So tell me, when a suspect starts resisting arrest and fights with the officers, what should they do? Prepare to receive fire from the lawfully armed citizen of a 2A Republic. Quote
GalagaGuy Posted Monday at 05:32 PM Posted Monday at 05:32 PM 1 minute ago, romad1 said: Prepare to receive fire from the lawfully armed citizen of a 2A Republic. Advocating for killing law enforcement for daring to arrest someone in the country illegally. Makes perfect sense to the far left I guess. Quote
GalagaGuy Posted Monday at 05:34 PM Posted Monday at 05:34 PM 4 minutes ago, mtutiger said: You claimed these arrests are "targeted"... the video that you just shared shows an arrest that clearly isn't targeted in any way shape or form. If it was "targeted" there wouldn't be 4+ of them there beating up on a single food delivery driver. Hold up, what exactly do you think "targeted" means here? What is means is they have a name and are going to arrest that person specifically. That's exactly what they did here. I'm very curious to hear what you think "targeted" means. Quote
mtutiger Posted Monday at 05:37 PM Posted Monday at 05:37 PM (edited) 2 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said: Hold up, what exactly do you think "targeted" means here? What is means is they have a name and are going to arrest that person specifically. That's exactly what they did here. Why do you need 4+ people to arrest one person? "Targeted" implies "efficient".... which is not what I saw in that video. Edited Monday at 05:37 PM by mtutiger Quote
CMRivdogs Posted Monday at 05:37 PM Posted Monday at 05:37 PM I'm not even sure these "Lawful enforcement officers" are even legit. For all the actions I've seen they are akin to the trespassers back in 2021. Have they actually received training or are they just randomly picked because they are a friend of a friend who made large donations to MAGA Man I know a few police officers. They are all aghast by their actions. Giving bad name to legitimate authorities. Im going back to my bad 1970s thinking and calling them PIGS. Quote
Tiger337 Posted Monday at 05:39 PM Posted Monday at 05:39 PM 5 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said: Advocating for killing law enforcement for daring to arrest someone in the country illegally. Makes perfect sense to the far left I guess. When did 2A become a lefty thing? Quote
mtutiger Posted Monday at 05:40 PM Posted Monday at 05:40 PM (edited) 14 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said: So tell me, when a suspect starts resisting arrest and fights with the officers, what should they do? Does a suspect resisting arrest absolve law enforcement their responsibility in keeping their composure or acting with some level of restraint? I didn't see any of that in the video... they looked out of control to me. Edited Monday at 05:41 PM by mtutiger Quote
GalagaGuy Posted Monday at 05:40 PM Posted Monday at 05:40 PM 1 minute ago, mtutiger said: Why do you need 4+ people to arrest one person? "Targeted" implies "efficient".... which is not what I saw in that video. Well first of all, it was two officers initially. Is that acceptable to you of should the police have to face off 1v1 with a suspect when trying to get them into cuffs? Efficient would have been if the suspect placed his hands behind his back once being told he was under arrest. I get it though, it's his right to not only be here illegally with a deportation order and outstanding warrants, but to also fight law enforcement. Quote
mtutiger Posted Monday at 05:41 PM Posted Monday at 05:41 PM 3 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: I'm not even sure these "Lawful enforcement officers" are even legit. For all the actions I've seen they are akin to the trespassers back in 2021. Have they actually received training or are they just randomly picked because they are a friend of a friend who made large donations to MAGA Man I know a few police officers. They are all aghast by their actions. Giving bad name to legitimate authorities. Im going back to my bad 1970s thinking and calling them PIGS. It'd sure help if they'd take the masks off.... police officers in my village and state don't wear them, why should these guys be wearing them? 2 Quote
GalagaGuy Posted Monday at 05:43 PM Posted Monday at 05:43 PM 1 minute ago, mtutiger said: Does a suspect resisting arrest absolve law enforcement their responsibility in keeping their composure or acting with some level of restraint in their capacities? They didn't beat the guy unconscious or shoot him so it seems there was "some level of restraint". Are you just mad about the liberal comment so now you're going to nitpick every detail about this case? Question for you, should this guy that was arrested be removed from the country? Quote
mtutiger Posted Monday at 05:43 PM Posted Monday at 05:43 PM 1 minute ago, GalagaGuy said: Well first of all, it was two officers initially. Is that acceptable to you of should the police have to face off 1v1 with a suspect when trying to get them into cuffs? I'll concede this, no.... but that doesn't absolve 4+ of these officers acting like a bunch out of control maniacs either. Quote
Tiger337 Posted Monday at 05:44 PM Posted Monday at 05:44 PM 6 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: I'm not even sure these "Lawful enforcement officers" are even legit. For all the actions I've seen they are akin to the trespassers back in 2021. Have they actually received training or are they just randomly picked because they are a friend of a friend who made large donations to MAGA Man I know a few police officers. They are all aghast by their actions. Giving bad name to legitimate authorities. Im going back to my bad 1970s thinking and calling them PIGS. They did seem really unprofessional. It wasn't just one guy makng a comment out frustration. They made a bunch of comments they shouldn't have been making to citizens. Quote
GalagaGuy Posted Monday at 05:45 PM Posted Monday at 05:45 PM 2 minutes ago, mtutiger said: It'd sure help if they'd take the masks off.... police officers in my village and state don't wear them, why should these guys be wearing them? SWAT and other special operations type officers often wear masks to hide their identities. Funny thing, I don't remember anyone complaining about that. It's only when they started wearing masks to arrest people in the country illegally that people flipped out. Again, just a silly talking point being used by the people who are suddenly pro-illegal for whatever reason. Quote
GalagaGuy Posted Monday at 05:47 PM Posted Monday at 05:47 PM 2 minutes ago, mtutiger said: I'll concede this, no.... but that doesn't absolve 4+ of these officers acting like a bunch out of control maniacs either. Have you ever tried to restrain a person that doesn't want to be restrained? It can easily take 4+ people to finally get them into cuffs. Quote
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