Trumps Presidency 2025

[romad1]

3 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

I must have missed the part in the Constitution where it says you can't arrest an illegal with warrants.   

5th Amendment minus the 14th amendment equals the minus 9th amendment.  

Edited 15 hours ago by romad1

[mtutiger]

11 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Why is 100% of your attention on the officers and 0% of it on the person in the country illegally?

Because, as a taxpayer, those officers work for me. And because  those officers (ostensibly) are working on my behalf, their actions should be transparent and their should be forums for accountability when they go beyond the bounds of their charge. Or even when they break laws.

And given that my tax dollars are going to pay for them, I find it inexcusable that they get to hide behind masks and have unmarked uniforms. The "doxxing" thing is just a big ol' excuse to dodge any sort accountability for any mistakes or overreaches that are being directed by this administration.

Your continued lack of attention on this suggests to me that you'd be fine with them being unaccountable to anything or anyone.

Edited 14 hours ago by mtutiger

[GalagaGuy]

3 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

I think you might find this interesting reading when your not feeding rodents 

https://www.cato.org/blog/65-people-taken-ice-had-no-convictions-93-no-violent-convictions

 

The fact that they had no criminal convictions has nothing to do with being in the country illegally.  You are intentionally trying to conflate things.  

[GalagaGuy]

4 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Because, as a taxpayer, those officers work for me. And because  those officers (ostensibly) are working on my behalf, their actions should be transparent and their should be forums for accountability when they go beyond the bounds of their charge. Or even when they break laws.

And given that my tax dollars are going to pay for them, I find it inexcusable that they get to hide behind masks and have unmarked uniforms. The "doxxing" thing is just a big ol' excuse to dodge any sort accountability for any mistakes or overreaches that are being directed by this administration.

Your continued lack of attention on this suggests to me that you'd be fine with them being unaccountable to anything or anyone.

Oh so youre one of those people. Tell me, do you pull the "you work for me" when you get pulled over?

As I already pointed out, it is common for some law enforcement to wear civilian clothing so spare me the fake ass outrage because immigration officers are doing it.  Never heard anyone complain about undercover officers arresting gang members in Detroit.   

[CMRivdogs]

More from the Cato report

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Using public data from Customs and Border Protection (CBP)—which does not include details of criminal convictions—we can see the trend in ICE book-ins from the start of the Trump administration. During the first two weeks of June, ICE brought into its custody nearly 927 non-criminals. That represents a roughly threefold increase compared to the rate of non-criminals booked in during the first week of this administration.

This shift in policy resulted from White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller’s meeting at the end of May, when he ordered ICE to start arresting more non-criminals. “What do you mean you’re going after criminals?” he said. “Why aren’t you at Home Depot? Why aren’t you at 7‑Eleven?” Since then, ICE and Border Patrol have shifted to roaming US streets and workplaces to round up immigrants, regardless of the public threat they may pose.

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The White House has ordered ICE to meet an unreasonable quota of 3,000 arrests per day, a target they were nowhere near achieving as of June 14. Agents are complaining about how the quota is undermining public safety in interviews with conservative outlets like the New York Post and Washington Examiner. The White House is focused on “quantity over quality,” one agent told the New York Post. The agents told the Post that ICE’s quota was forcing them to leave “some dangerous criminal illegal migrants on the streets.” ICE shifted away from fugitive operations to focus on asylum seekers at courthouses, immigrants who regularly check in with ICE, and other non-threats.

ICE’s deportation agenda is not what is being advertised to the American public. ICE is not interested in prioritizing public safety, yet it constantly pretends that anyone who objects to its tactics and priorities is defending violent criminals. But violent criminals are not ICE’s primary focus. Indeed, it now has no focus altogether. That’s the essence of mass deportation: it is indiscriminate, unfocused, and chaotic. Congress should mandate more transparent reporting from ICE and require that it target only those who pose genuine threats to public safety.

It's one thing to arrest and deport convicted criminals. Another to target people who are actually working and doing "jobs other Americans don't want to do" to paraphrase another Republican Party President.

 

[romad1]

More of that Due Process being handled professionally by Federal Security Troops

 

[romad1]

This is what the Trumpies want.   We all know this. 

 

[romad1]

This is moral authority meeting with a total vacuum of it

 

[romad1]

 

[mtutiger]

6 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Oh so youre one of those people.

Always hilarious to see you bitch about people not addressing your point only for you to proceed to not address points.

I think we're done here.

[GalagaGuy]

*POLICE written across their chest and back

*Unidentified 

Choose one 🤔

[CMRivdogs]

18 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

The fact that they had no criminal convictions has nothing to do with being in the country illegally.  You are intentionally trying to conflate things.  

Once again to paraphrase GW Bush. Most of these people are doing jobs Americans don't want.  If they have no record, are productive and otherwise good citizens what's wrong.  Restaurants are begging for workers. Farmers in the Midwest are begging Trump to relax deportation of farm workers. The hostility industry is also hurting. 

Maybe we should go after the industries that hire and import "illegals" first.

[CMRivdogs]

From JVL in today's Bulwark. Perhaps governors from Blue States should start sending National Guard troops to DC, rather than relying on troops from Red States only

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What would happen if, say, Gov. Wes Moore activated the Maryland National Guard and sent a couple hundred members into the D.C. to help with “law enforcement”?

• The Maryland National Guard could be given orders to (a) not wear masks and (b) clearly identify themselves as members of the Maryland Guard.

• They could be tasked with documenting criminal activity—including by people who claim to be agents of the state.

• They could protect civilians from violent assaults by roving gangs—including gangs who claim without proof to be government agents.

Then maybe we begin deportation proceedings on the offending violators.

Edited 14 hours ago by CMRivdogs

[GalagaGuy]

10 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Once again to paraphrase GW Bush. Most of these people are doing jobs Americans don't want.  If they have no record, are productive and otherwise good citizens what's wrong.  Restaurants are begging for workers. Farmers in the Midwest are begging Trump to relax deportation of farm workers. The hostility industry is also hurting. 

Maybe we should go after the industries that hire and import "illegals" first.

Absolutely we should go after people that employ people who are not in the country legally.  Suggesting that we stop enforcing immigration laws until that happens is kind of silly though, don't you think? 

[pfife]

No...  immigrants are awesome

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, GalagaGuy said:

See, this is why i don't bother posting proof.  Even after you get shown proof, you say it's not good enough and suggest it might be faked.  

I am not suggesting anything about the website at all. It’s abolsutely real—after all, I saw it for myself online. I just don’t who’s behind it, and also, that it exists doesn’t mean anyone is using it, unless there is independent reporting that the website is being successfully used for doxxing federal officers. But I would settle for any independent reporting suggesting that federal officials are being doxxed at all, by whatever source.

Also—I am pretty confident that is not why you don’t post proof.

[The Ronz]

9 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Suggesting that we stop enforcing immigration laws until that happens is kind of silly though, don't you think? 

What immigration laws are you referencing?

[CMRivdogs]

14 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Absolutely we should go after people that employ people who are not in the country legally.  Suggesting that we stop enforcing immigration laws until that happens is kind of silly though, don't you think? 

Maybe we should also send the Statue of Liberty back to France. In reality we are all here illegally if you look at it in black and white. 

[CMRivdogs]

19 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Absolutely we should go after people that employ people who are not in the country legally.  Suggesting that we stop enforcing immigration laws until that happens is kind of silly though, don't you think? 

So you're in favor of arresting and beginning deportation proceedings against Musk since technically he lied when entering the country on a student visa. How about Trump, his grandfather re-entered the country illegally from Germany to avoid the draft.

Trump's wife could be considered to have entered the country under false pretenses. (She became legal after marriage). 
 

Where do you draw the line...

[chasfh]

39 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

*POLICE written across their chest and back

*Unidentified 

Choose one 🤔

False choice.

[chasfh]

This whole episode reminds me that there was someone who used to habituate these parts a few years ago who claimed they did not vote for Trump, they voted for Biden, and yet they spouted every MAGA talking point known to us at the time. Anyone remember who that was? I’m pretty sure it wasn’t that Archie fella, and I know for sure it wasn’t that StanPapi guy.

Edited 13 hours ago by chasfh

[GalagaGuy]

28 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Maybe we should also send the Statue of Liberty back to France. In reality we are all here illegally if you look at it in black and white. 

Not sure about you but I was born here so I'm pretty sure the Constitution that was referenced earlier covers me.  

Edited 13 hours ago by GalagaGuy

[GalagaGuy]

20 minutes ago, chasfh said:

False choice.

Not at all.  It is a bald faced lie to say that these officers are not identifiable.  They are actually more identifiable as your typical officer isn't wearing POLICE in big bold letters across their body. 

I get it though, for some reason you have a problem with plain clothed police officers going after people in the country illegally but are perfectly fine when they arrest citizens.  

[chasfh]

Just now, GalagaGuy said:

Not at all.  It is a bald faced lie to say that these officers are not identifiable.  They are actually more identifiable as your typical officer isn't wearing POLICE in big bold letters across their body. 

I get it though, for some reason you have a problem with plain clothed police officers going after people in the country illegally but are perfectly fine when they arrest citizens.  

Wearing a sash that says simply POLICE is not identification.

If they are wearing masks and nothing that reveals their names while rounding up a million people in year, and they refuse to identify themselves when asked by citizens, then the masked men are unidentified and thus unidentifiable, which allows them to act in a way which absolves them of accountability, which, not for nothing, is how police states operate.

[CMRivdogs]

10 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Not sure about you but I was born here so I'm pretty sure the Constitution that was referenced earlier covers me.  

So you’re ok with anchor babies. Got it