Deleterious Posted October 7 Author Posted October 7 I can't really tell who is running the point to start the second half. It's either Ausar or LeVert, and neither one seems to be doing that well. Quote
Deleterious Posted October 7 Author Posted October 7 Ron, Ausar, and Stew are fun to watch on defense. 1 Quote
Deleterious Posted October 7 Author Posted October 7 Two things I want to see from Cade this season. Improved shooting efficiency and be more aggressive looking for his. Saw both in this game. Quote
Betrayer Posted October 8 Posted October 8 First preseason game started out really rough. Turnover, turnover, turnover. Defense picked up in the second and they took over, hanging 50 points on the Grizz in that quarter alone. Cade - He's ready to start the season. I think he made every type of shot imaginable in just 1/2 of play. Ivey - People are saying Ivey looked "rusty". I'd buy that if he didn't just look like the same Jaden Ivey to me. Some exciting plays, but just as many terrible turnovers, passes that are too hot, bad off-ball defense and rotations, and dying on the first screen every time when he's on-ball defending. Harris - Looked like the solid vet he is. Thompson - He and Holland were a big part of the run in the second with their defense, but the offense is still a work in progress. Good to see they're giving him on-ball reps though. Great way to keep him on the floor even when he can't space the court. Holland - If that three ball remains at 33% or higher, that's a great jump for a 20 year old sophomore. It's the key to him and Ausar sharing the court and playing that "9 to 5" defense. Stew - Shot a couple threes in this one after saying that he's going to be shooting more of them this year. Pistons badly need a big that can space, especially in lineups with Ron and Ausar so this is key for the Pistons. Jenkins - I said it last year and I'll say it again: I'd rather have him as the 3rd string PG than trying to jam Sasser into that role. He's bigger, plays better defense, is a better driver, a better passer, and plays with more energy. Obviously Sasser is a better shooter, but Jenkins can knock down the open catch and shoot 3 where Sasser needs to do an NBA2K dribble move and step-back before taking his shot every time. Robinson - Looks like he'll be a solid Beasley replacement and offer better passing and rebounding along the way, while being just as terrible on defense. LeVert - Let's not talk about it. 2 Quote
Deleterious Posted October 9 Author Posted October 9 I will try to pull the Pistons info out. They have Detroit 5th in the east behind Cleveland, New York, Orlando, and Atlanta. 80% picked OKC to win the Finals. Ausar is T2nd for having a breakout season with Victor and Miller. Amen is #1 Best perimeter defender in the league? Ausar is 6th with 2% of the vote Most versatile defender. Ausar is in the "Also receiving votes" section. Best coach at managing/motivating players, and which coach has the best defensive schemes? JB is in the also receiving vote section for both Which team is the most fun to watch? Pistons in the receiving vote section Which team has the most promising young core? Pistons T3rd. The defending champs are #1 and double the votes of #2 which is crazy. Most athletic player. They only list 2 and Ausar is in the receiving votes section Fastest with the ball. Ivey received votes Best at moving without the ball? Steph got 90% of the votes. Robinson received votes. Most versatile player? Cade received votes 1 Quote
Deleterious Posted October 12 Author Posted October 12 8 hours ago, buddha said: no one cares about malik beasley. Oh, they do, and quite a few still think he will be a Piston. Quote
Hart Posted October 12 Posted October 12 It Cade makes another leap and truly does because an ALL NBA first team type of player, that definitely would raise the ceiling of this team and I feel like there is a lot more riding on Ivey then. Need a jump from him also to become a true championship contender. I am trying not to get too caught up in Cade's preseason. It is still preseason. Quote
Deleterious Posted October 13 Author Posted October 13 Getting Cade help should be the #1 goal, and so far it hasn't happened. I constantly posted in threads last year about how Detroit lacks 20 point scorers. 125 times last year, a Piston scored 20+ in a game. 57 were Cade and the next highest was Beasley at 25. In third was Harris with 11 games and the fourth place? Ivey with 10 in 30 games played. That is pathetic. Tatum is Boston's best player. Jaylen Brown had 41 games where he scored 20+. Bostons #2 had 5 less 20 point games than Detroit's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th combined. Payton Pritchard had 24 games where he scored 20+. Porzingis had 16 games where he scored 20+. 163 games for Cleveland. Mitchell is their best player. Garland had 39 games of 20+. 34 games for Mobley. Allen, who is not known as a scorer, had 14 games. 181 games for the Knicks. Well, you get it. The only guy who helped Cade with the scoring is currently not on the roster. Now, Ivey being back, he should replace that lost production. But who steps up after him? Harris with another 11 games? Ivey was #4 last year, and he missed 2/3 of the season. They are at a point now where we need to start talking about deep playoff runs. You can't do that if Cade has to burn himself out in the regular season just to get them into the playoffs. People talk about how the Knicks series is different if Stew plays, and I agree. But nobody talks about how different it could be if Cade is just a little fresher in that series. Three of the four losses were by a combined 6 points. The smallest of things can change that series, and maybe Cade having a little more left in his legs could have been one of those small things to make a difference. 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, Deleterious said: Getting Cade help should be the #1 goal, and so far it hasn't happened. I constantly posted in threads last year about how Detroit lacks 20 point scorers. 125 times last year, a Piston scored 20+ in a game. 57 were Cade and the next highest was Beasley at 25. In third was Harris with 11 games and the fourth place? Ivey with 10 in 30 games played. That is pathetic. Tatum is Boston's best player. Jaylen Brown had 41 games where he scored 20+. Bostons #2 had 5 less 20 point games than Detroit's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th combined. Payton Pritchard had 24 games where he scored 20+. Porzingis had 16 games where he scored 20+. 163 games for Cleveland. Mitchell is their best player. Garland had 39 games of 20+. 34 games for Mobley. Allen, who is not known as a scorer, had 14 games. 181 games for the Knicks. Well, you get it. The only guy who helped Cade with the scoring is currently not on the roster. Now, Ivey being back, he should replace that lost production. But who steps up after him? Harris with another 11 games? Ivey was #4 last year, and he missed 2/3 of the season. They are at a point now where we need to start talking about deep playoff runs. You can't do that if Cade has to burn himself out in the regular season just to get them into the playoffs. People talk about how the Knicks series is different if Stew plays, and I agree. But nobody talks about how different it could be if Cade is just a little fresher in that series. Three of the four losses were by a combined 6 points. The smallest of things can change that series, and maybe Cade having a little more left in his legs could have been one of those small things to make a difference. I don't want to argue the point about over using Cade which I think is pretty clearly true, but I'm not sure auxiliary scorers is the only possible measure. Scoring is a load on Cade because he is also the primary ball handler/assist generator and he's generating his own offense. A 10 point/game high assist ball handler could take as much energy load off Cade as another 20 pt scorer - though I suppose you can argue another playmaker will also drive higher point totals for other players - ergo more 20 point scorers, but the theory would be a little different. Edited October 13 by gehringer_2 Quote
Deleterious Posted October 13 Author Posted October 13 32 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I don't want to argue the point about over using Cade which I think is pretty clearly true, but I'm not sure auxiliary scorers is the only possible measure. Scoring is a load on Cade because he is also the primary ball handler/assist generator and he's generating his own offense. A 10 point/game high assist ball handler could take as much energy load off Cade as another 20 pt scorer - though I suppose you can argue another playmaker will also drive higher point totals for other players - ergo more 20 point scorers, but the theory would be a little different. You're not wrong, but you are only addressing the fatigue factor and ignoring the lack of scoring. You probably made the scoring problem even worse for two reason. One, adding a non-scorer isn't what a team desperate for scoring needs. And two, taking the ball out of Cades hands for a non-scorer hurts the other guys on the floor. When Cade has the ball, all 5 defenders are watching him, two are probably defending him. Give someone who isn't a threat to score and one guy is watching him, one guy is guarding him. The defense on the other players is much tighter, and it makes it more difficult for them to score This is why Ausar developing as a scoring threat is important. If he can constantly put pressure on the rim, more defenders have to pay attention. Maybe they send a double to get the ball out of his hands. Worst case, he gets in the lane on a single defender and defenses have to start rotating. He is a pretty good passer and when defenses rotate, guys on offense are open. Scoring for the other guys becomes easier because he can score and put pressure on the rim. Ivey can also possibly fill this role, but I think Ausar has higher upside. I'm not opposed to taking the ball out of Cade's hands now and then. I just don't want to do it for some journeyman backup level ball handler. 1 Quote
Deleterious Posted October 13 Author Posted October 13 Who runs the scheduling at NBATV? It will be repeated the next day (Friday) at 7PM. It will actually be repeated quite a bit for a few weeks at various times. Quote
buddha Posted October 13 Posted October 13 5 hours ago, Deleterious said: You're not wrong, but you are only addressing the fatigue factor and ignoring the lack of scoring. You probably made the scoring problem even worse for two reason. One, adding a non-scorer isn't what a team desperate for scoring needs. And two, taking the ball out of Cades hands for a non-scorer hurts the other guys on the floor. When Cade has the ball, all 5 defenders are watching him, two are probably defending him. Give someone who isn't a threat to score and one guy is watching him, one guy is guarding him. The defense on the other players is much tighter, and it makes it more difficult for them to score This is why Ausar developing as a scoring threat is important. If he can constantly put pressure on the rim, more defenders have to pay attention. Maybe they send a double to get the ball out of his hands. Worst case, he gets in the lane on a single defender and defenses have to start rotating. He is a pretty good passer and when defenses rotate, guys on offense are open. Scoring for the other guys becomes easier because he can score and put pressure on the rim. Ivey can also possibly fill this role, but I think Ausar has higher upside. I'm not opposed to taking the ball out of Cade's hands now and then. I just don't want to do it for some journeyman backup level ball handler. so how do you get that scorer? and who could it be? they havent drafted one. ausar and holland arent those guys. you dont want booker (even if he were available) or markannen. then who? Quote
Deleterious Posted October 13 Author Posted October 13 57 minutes ago, buddha said: so how do you get that scorer? and who could it be? they havent drafted one. ausar and holland arent those guys. you dont want booker (even if he were available) or markannen. then who? Mentioned him before. Trey Murphy. Can score at two levels and is very efficient doing so. His 3PT% dipped to 36% last year, but it's over 38% for his career. Excellent perimeter defender and can guard multiple positions. Gets to the rim, where he finished at a 72% rate last year. He is locked up for 4 more years at about $27 million per, which makes his contract one of the best values in the entire league. I would offer our 2026 and 2028 1st round picks. Only #1 protected. I would also offer a pick swap in 2027. Then let NO pick any two players from our roster not named Cade or Ausar. Rumors were he was available. Haven't heard much of anything lately so maybe he isn't now. Still should try. 1 Quote
buddha Posted October 13 Posted October 13 5 hours ago, Deleterious said: Mentioned him before. Trey Murphy. Can score at two levels and is very efficient doing so. His 3PT% dipped to 36% last year, but it's over 38% for his career. Excellent perimeter defender and can guard multiple positions. Gets to the rim, where he finished at a 72% rate last year. He is locked up for 4 more years at about $27 million per, which makes his contract one of the best values in the entire league. I would offer our 2026 and 2028 1st round picks. Only #1 protected. I would also offer a pick swap in 2027. Then let NO pick any two players from our roster not named Cade or Ausar. Rumors were he was available. Haven't heard much of anything lately so maybe he isn't now. Still should try. you'll get zion and like it! 1 Quote
Deleterious Posted October 13 Author Posted October 13 40 minutes ago, buddha said: you'll get zion and like it! I would listen. Only because he didn't play enough minutes last year, and it triggered a clause in his contract that voids the guarantee on the remainder of his deal. It would have to be cheap, though. One heavily protected first round pick and a player I don't care about, like Duren. I wouldn't go any higher, and I think other teams would. Quote
NYLion Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) 11 hours ago, buddha said: so how do you get that scorer? and who could it be? they havent drafted one. ausar and holland arent those guys. you dont want booker (even if he were available) or markannen. then who? Ivey averaged almost 18ppg last season and scored efficiently, it's not such a leap to think that he can boost that scoring to 20ppg. I'm not a big fan of the fit with Ivey alongside Cade but the 20ppg scorer could be right there in house, the defense is another story but the Pistons have plenty of guys that can defend to offset that deficiency. Edited October 13 by NYLion Quote
Deleterious Posted October 14 Author Posted October 14 Pistons have until October 31st to exercise their team options on Ausar, Holland, and Sasser. The option is for the 2026-27 season. Quote
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