lordstanley Posted June 16 Author Posted June 16 Skinner’s only 26, he has potential. I agree though that at the moment net continues to be Edmonton’s weakest link. Bouchard is no Quinn Hughes, but from #10 overall in that infamous draft he is way better than Zadina. Quote
buddha Posted June 16 Posted June 16 9 hours ago, lordstanley said: Skinner’s only 26, he has potential. I agree though that at the moment net continues to be Edmonton’s weakest link. Bouchard is no Quinn Hughes, but from #10 overall in that infamous draft he is way better than Zadina. zadina ranks 39th by point shares in that draft. suprisingly, that's better than joe veleno, who ranks 44th... Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 16 Posted June 16 17 minutes ago, buddha said: zadina ranks 39th by point shares in that draft. suprisingly, that's better than joe veleno, who ranks 44th... Zadina used to have the occasional game where he was active enough that you knew he was one the ice. Just not many. Quote
buddha Posted June 16 Posted June 16 11 hours ago, lordstanley said: Skinner’s only 26, he has potential. I agree though that at the moment net continues to be Edmonton’s weakest link. Bouchard is no Quinn Hughes, but from #10 overall in that infamous draft he is way better than Zadina. every rumor i hear was that they were going to take bouchard over hughes if zadina wasnt there. Quote
lordstanley Posted June 16 Author Posted June 16 57 minutes ago, buddha said: every rumor i hear was that they were going to take bouchard over hughes if zadina wasnt there. I was wondering about that. Was it Bouchard? Or wasn't it Dobson? I don't think it was Bomqvist. Quote
Shinzaki Posted June 16 Posted June 16 I recall the talk being around Bouchard or Dobson ...I wonder if Zadina "falling" to them handcuffed them a bit. Most people thought he was going to be top 3 for certain, did Kenny and the boys scout him as heavily as they might have scouted the guys that were ranked a little lower? Quote
buddha Posted June 16 Posted June 16 39 minutes ago, Shinzaki said: I recall the talk being around Bouchard or Dobson ...I wonder if Zadina "falling" to them handcuffed them a bit. Most people thought he was going to be top 3 for certain, did Kenny and the boys scout him as heavily as they might have scouted the guys that were ranked a little lower? given late stage kenny's many first round failures, it wouldnt surprise me if they did scout him extensively and just failed in their evaluations. otoh, kenny seemed to miss by just going for size over everything else (rasmussen, etc), and that is definitely not zadina. seems like that draft was two players (zadina and veleno) who had high pedigrees dropping and kenny picking them rather than realizing they might have been falling for a reason. Quote
slothfacekilla Posted June 16 Posted June 16 All the chatter I've seen about that draft is that if Zadina hadn't fallen the Wings were taking Bouchard and not Hughes. Quote
lordstanley Posted June 16 Author Posted June 16 Of all teams, why did Hughes have to be picked by the Canucks. It has been the bane of my existence, brought up on a monthly basis by Canucks fans here I barely even know. As if it's some breaking news revelation that, yes, we should regret picking Zadina over Hughes. Duh. And none of them are aware that, as mentioned in this thread today, the pick was likely never going to be Hughes anyways. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 16 Posted June 16 18 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said: All the chatter I've seen about that draft is that if Zadina hadn't fallen the Wings were taking Bouchard and not Hughes. Not that missing Bouchard is particularly less painful. Quote
buddha Posted June 19 Posted June 19 Ryan Donato looks to be going off the board. set to re-sign in chicago for four years. not that he was on my list of guys to get. all offense who just had a career year on a terrible team. Quote
slothfacekilla Posted June 19 Posted June 19 Going to be very interesting to see how Nill wiggles out of this one.... Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted June 19 Posted June 19 Realistically, what would it take to get Robertson? I am guessing the Stars would want good, young, cheap assets over draft picks in any trade because they are not in a rebuild mode. Do we have what they might be looking for, assuming that's it? Wings Get: Jason Robertson Start gets: Nate Danielson, Dmitri Buchelnikov, and a 2025 2nd round pick? Too little, too much? Quote
buddha Posted June 19 Posted June 19 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Realistically, what would it take to get Robertson? I am guessing the Stars would want good, young, cheap assets over draft picks in any trade because they are not in a rebuild mode. Do we have what they might be looking for, assuming that's it? Wings Get: Jason Robertson Start gets: Nate Danielson, Dmitri Buchelnikov, and a 2025 2nd round pick? Too little, too much? bultman's proposal was 2025 first, elmer, and a 2026 second. the stars reporter turned it down. Edited June 19 by buddha Quote
buddha Posted June 19 Posted June 19 we also took on matt dumba in that max trade scenario. taking on - and presumably waiving - dumba would be very helpful to dallas. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted June 19 Posted June 19 I would be in favor of taking on Dumba's $3.75 mil contract for next year if we could waive him without any major dead cap type of hit. Again, I am assuming Dallas wants players that are young, cheap, and either able to help them win now or able to help them win within the next year or two like Danielson and Buch. I am going off the assumption that they don't want a bunch of picks because they are retooling rather than rebuilding, but maybe I'm wrong. Quote
slothfacekilla Posted June 19 Posted June 19 I'm guessing Dallas will be looking to offload Marchment, Dumba and Lyubushkin (those last two contracts are oogly). Maybe Steel? Robertson makes sense too since he'll need a decent sized contract soon. They have to plan for Harley's contract too. They probably shouldn't but I bet they re-sign Benn's corpse so I will be watching with a lot of interest. Quote
buddha Posted June 19 Posted June 19 1 hour ago, slothfacekilla said: I'm guessing Dallas will be looking to offload Marchment, Dumba and Lyubushkin (those last two contracts are oogly). Maybe Steel? Robertson makes sense too since he'll need a decent sized contract soon. They have to plan for Harley's contract too. They probably shouldn't but I bet they re-sign Benn's corpse so I will be watching with a lot of interest. dealing robertson also makes the most sense because you can get the biggest return for him. he's going to cost 10+ million to re-sign, so think about that if you want to deal for him. i also think they'll re-sign benn for a cheap one year deal. detroit could get into the stratosphere on cap space by waiving holl, tarasenko, and gustafsson. would give them almost 30 million i think. marner is still a pipe dream. all signs point to some west coast team. that said, all signs pointed to gaudreau signing to some east coast team and he ended up in ohio. Quote
slothfacekilla Posted June 19 Posted June 19 I am definitely intrigued to see what a Robertson trade would bring with the other teams knowing that they'll have to pony up a large contract + Dallas probably being desperate to make cap space Quote
1984Echoes Posted June 19 Posted June 19 1 hour ago, buddha said: dealing robertson also makes the most sense because you can get the biggest return for him. he's going to cost 10+ million to re-sign, so think about that if you want to deal for him... Heresy: Trade Larkin for Robertson? Quote
slothfacekilla Posted June 19 Posted June 19 3 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Heresy: Trade Larkin for Robertson? I think both teams would say no. Detroit would decimate the little center depth they have and Dallas wouldn't have room for Larkin's contract. Quote
1984Echoes Posted June 19 Posted June 19 (edited) 43 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said: I think both teams would say no. Detroit would decimate the little center depth they have and Dallas wouldn't have room for Larkin's contract. We'd have to take a contract or two and waive them... per the Dumba idea above... Just trying to think outside the box. I don't think Yzerman would do it because he is demanding (Larkin) step it up to an even higher level (especially on the leadership side) and he'll want to see how that plays out. I think we have a couple of #2/3 Centers next year+ (Copp/ Kasper/ Danielson) if we didn't have Larkin... definitely leaving a huge hole... unless Kasper rises to the occasion... I don't know if he has that level in him... Just thinking outside the box. Robertson is definitely a skillset that we don't have in the Org... And I would definitely be interested in seeing a Robertson-Kasper-Raymond line... Edited June 19 by 1984Echoes Quote
1984Echoes Posted June 19 Posted June 19 PS: That also means I'm not counting us as a Stanley Cup contender this year or the next. But I'm working on a different timeline... I'm considering where I would like this team to be AFTER the next two years. IE: Let's say we chose Eklund over Carbonneau. Who is Ekland? I know a fantastic play-making Center... What can he become? What is his upside? Again... just some thinking "outside the box"... Quote
slothfacekilla Posted June 19 Posted June 19 Ah okay my bad I thought you were proposing a 1 for 1 I should have thought about it more! Quote
buddha Posted June 20 Posted June 20 larkin for robertson doesnt work because of dallas' cap situation. however, if your timeline for contention rests on seider/raymond/kasper prime, then it might make sense to think about moving larkin. by the time thosr guys are in their prime and ready to compete (26-27 season) larkin will be edging into the downside of his career and probably will be a 2-3C. prashanth has a nice writeup of it in his latest substack. Quote
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