General Wings Comments 2025-26

[Jason_R]

I listened to Cossa’s postseason presser. It’s just what we’ve been talking about. Had a great start, let a bad game here or there get to him. He is working with a mental coach to help him stay focused. He is still growing into his frame.

When asked about whether he expects to be in Detroit next season, he was at a loss. He said he wants to be there and thinks he deserves to be there but it’s out of his hands. 

Again, this all seems to go back to Todd coming in and saying just play F-ing hockey. I think it goes deeper than just the coaching though. Seems like Cossa doesn’t feel like he can do anything to win a job, but can only lose it. That is a hard spot to put a kid in. You have to bring him up, let him learn from Gibson and the nhl staff. 

[lordstanley]

 

[lordstanley]

On 5/24/2026 at 6:58 AM, Jason_R said:

I listened to Cossa’s postseason presser. It’s just what we’ve been talking about. Had a great start, let a bad game here or there get to him. He is working with a mental coach to help him stay focused. He is still growing into his frame.

When asked about whether he expects to be in Detroit next season, he was at a loss. He said he wants to be there and thinks he deserves to be there but it’s out of his hands. 

Again, this all seems to go back to Todd coming in and saying just play F-ing hockey. I think it goes deeper than just the coaching though. Seems like Cossa doesn’t feel like he can do anything to win a job, but can only lose it. That is a hard spot to put a kid in. You have to bring him up, let him learn from Gibson and the nhl staff. 

I can’t think of a case where a highly touted prospect got moved or given up on without a chance at the NHL level. I wonder if things would have been different if the Wings weren’t a playoff bubble team. It’s one thing giving Svechnikov and Zadina ice time to fail, burying them with low ice time, but maybe another putting a player you have little confidence in in net. 

[Hongbit]

Maybe it has nothing to do with Cossa and everything to do with the Wings situation.  Cossa has a higher trade value than any of their other goalies.  I think they like him but desperately need some quality prospect capital to put into a deal they hopefully make this summer for a top 6 forward.  

[Jason_R]

37 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

I can’t think of a case where a highly touted prospect got moved or given up on without a chance at the NHL level. I wonder if things would have been different if the Wings weren’t a playoff bubble team. It’s one thing giving Svechnikov and Zadina ice time to fail, burying them with low ice time, but maybe another putting a player you have little confidence in in net. 

But do they have little confidence in him, and if so, are they being reasonable?

Remember, as late as the all star break, Cossa was being touted as the number one prospect to watch in the AHL all star game. From the article I posted earlier in the thread:

“The 2021 first-round pick is enjoying his best season as a pro and proving the patience can pay off. The Detroit Red Wings have taken the slow-and-steady approach with their 6-foot-6 goalie prospect and he’s posted a sparkling .928 save percentage while backstopping Grand Rapids to the best record in the league.”

In the meantime, by the all star break Cam Talbott had accumulated a save percentage of about .885. If you are Cossa, don’t you assume you have done all you need to do in order to get a call up? Don’t you assume you could provide the NHL franchise a better option as the #2? Or at least a chance to prove it in a single start? But the call doesn’t come.

I can see how it would weigh on a kid. “Don’t they believe in me? Am I doing something wrong?” Suddenly, because of the way you’ve been handled by the front office, you start to doubt yourself. 

I have defended Stevie in other ways but I think he has mishandled Cossa and set his development back. 

[gehringer_2]

13 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Maybe it has nothing to do with Cossa and everything to do with the Wings situation.  Cossa has a higher trade value than any of their other goalies.  I think they like him but desperately need some quality prospect capital to put into a deal they hopefully make this summer for a top 6 forward.  

If you want to trade him wouldn't seeing him perform successfully in the NHL be the biggest boost to his value you could achieve? Especially if your internal eval was that he didn't have the stamina, bring him up early in the season when had the energy, send him back for whatever reason later.

[buddha]

1 hour ago, Jason_R said:

But do they have little confidence in him, and if so, are they being reasonable?

Remember, as late as the all star break, Cossa was being touted as the number one prospect to watch in the AHL all star game. From the article I posted earlier in the thread:

“The 2021 first-round pick is enjoying his best season as a pro and proving the patience can pay off. The Detroit Red Wings have taken the slow-and-steady approach with their 6-foot-6 goalie prospect and he’s posted a sparkling .928 save percentage while backstopping Grand Rapids to the best record in the league.”

In the meantime, by the all star break Cam Talbott had accumulated a save percentage of about .885. If you are Cossa, don’t you assume you have done all you need to do in order to get a call up? Don’t you assume you could provide the NHL franchise a better option as the #2? Or at least a chance to prove it in a single start? But the call doesn’t come.

I can see how it would weigh on a kid. “Don’t they believe in me? Am I doing something wrong?” Suddenly, because of the way you’ve been handled by the front office, you start to doubt yourself. 

I have defended Stevie in other ways but I think he has mishandled Cossa and set his development back. 

if eveey goalie has the same gaudy stats as cossa, maybe its the grand rapids team defense that's great?

[Jason_R]

29 minutes ago, buddha said:

if eveey goalie has the same gaudy stats as cossa, maybe its the grand rapids team defense that's great?

Playing behind all of those NHL ready defensive prospects like Wallinder and Tuomisto and Lagesson? 😊

Edited May 25 by Jason_R
Can’t spell NHL.

[buddha]

2 hours ago, Jason_R said:

Playing behind all of those NHL ready defensive prospects like Wallinder and Tuomisto and Lagesson? 😊

he was the least successful if all our goalie prospects, why arent you banging down the door for carter gylander to start next year?  🙂

[Jason_R]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

he was the least successful if all our goalie prospects, why arent you banging down the door for carter gylander to start next year?  🙂

Gylander has played 11 games in GR. You are right that he played very well this year but we both know you are not serious that he is more ready than Cossa.

I admittedly am not a goalie scout and I have not watched Cossa play. All I know is that he was good enough for Stevie to draft him 15. He was good enough to start 80 games over two seasons in the AHL. He was good enough to make the AHL all star team in both years. What else does a guy need to do in order to get an NHL start? He gets in one NHL game and wins a shootout. And that’s it? I mean, I’ve defended Stevie but the more I think about it the more I realize he has mishandled Cossa and left the platter and franchise in a bad spot. There is literally nothing else for this kid to have accomplished in the AHL. 

[buddha]

24 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Gylander has played 11 games in GR. You are right that he played very well this year but we both know you are not serious that he is more ready than Cossa.

I admittedly am not a goalie scout and I have not watched Cossa play. All I know is that he was good enough for Stevie to draft him 15. He was good enough to start 80 games over two seasons in the AHL. He was good enough to make the AHL all star team in both years. What else does a guy need to do in order to get an NHL start? He gets in one NHL game and wins a shootout. And that’s it? I mean, I’ve defended Stevie but the more I think about it the more I realize he has mishandled Cossa and left the platter and franchise in a bad spot. There is literally nothing else for this kid to have accomplished in the AHL. 

given all of his good stats in the ahl, the fact that he's not in the nhl means either stevie is overcooking prospects, or he's not ready.

as much **** as we gice yzerman for edvinsson, he also promoted asp and kasper well before they were ready.

so we dont really know about cossa.  we'll find out next year.

[slothfacekilla]

On 5/25/2026 at 9:23 AM, lordstanley said:

I can’t think of a case where a highly touted prospect got moved or given up on without a chance at the NHL level.

Yaroslav Askarov!

[buddha]

1 hour ago, slothfacekilla said:

Yaroslav Askarov!

and he's not exactly setting the world on fire...

[buddha]

if the reporting is true that folks are thinking cossa brings in a second round pick, then no thanks.  he'll be in detroit.

 

[slothfacekilla]

Unless someone blows you away with a first round pick or a really good roster player I think the smart play is to keep him 

[lordstanley]

I know I'm oversimplifying the role of GM grossly, but since 2 of our top 3 prospects and 3 of our top 10 prospects are goalies, why not just diversify and offer Cossa to another team for their system's #2 ranked prospect, likely a winger. 

Edited May 26 by lordstanley

[buddha]

1 hour ago, lordstanley said:

I know I'm oversimplifying the role of GM grossly, but since 2 of our top 3 prospects and 3 of our top 10 prospects are goalies, why not just diversify and offer Cossa to another team for their system's #2 ranked prospect, likely a winger. 

i think that's why people see edmonton as a fit.  ike howard or matty savoie for cossa.

 

[buddha]

would you deal cossa to seattle for shane wright?

or cossa and a pick for matty beniers?

[slothfacekilla]

Not interested in Shane Wright at all, Beniers is intriguing.  Wright had a crazy high shooting percentage the one season he almost put up 50 points.  His percentage regressed and he put up 27 points last season.  His faceoff percentage sucks, he doesn't average more than 14 minutes a night on a bad roster, and he's insanely sheltered with his zone starts.  He has decent underlying possession numbers relative to his teammates, but a 71% offensive zone start is going to help that immensely.  Beniers is largely the same overall, but a better version of Wright in my opinion.  Lots of offensive zone starts but less so than Wright, better underlying possession numbers, and Beniers has put up points more consistently than Wright.  He also plays over 21 minutes a night for Seattle.  I forget who it was on here that was touting Wright as someone the Wings should have tanked for, and I think he's more of a cautionary tale.

 

I imagine prospect wingers are higher valued than prospect goalies too.  You need more wingers on your roster and they're usually much safer/project-able than goalies.  Just my guess though, I figure a top 1-3 winger prospect is worth more on the market than a top 1-3 goalie prospect coming from similar prospect pools.  But I'm also just talking out of my ass.

[buddha]

3 hours ago, slothfacekilla said:

Not interested in Shane Wright at all, Beniers is intriguing.  Wright had a crazy high shooting percentage the one season he almost put up 50 points.  His percentage regressed and he put up 27 points last season.  His faceoff percentage sucks, he doesn't average more than 14 minutes a night on a bad roster, and he's insanely sheltered with his zone starts.  He has decent underlying possession numbers relative to his teammates, but a 71% offensive zone start is going to help that immensely.  Beniers is largely the same overall, but a better version of Wright in my opinion.  Lots of offensive zone starts but less so than Wright, better underlying possession numbers, and Beniers has put up points more consistently than Wright.  He also plays over 21 minutes a night for Seattle.  I forget who it was on here that was touting Wright as someone the Wings should have tanked for, and I think he's more of a cautionary tale.

 

I imagine prospect wingers are higher valued than prospect goalies too.  You need more wingers on your roster and they're usually much safer/project-able than goalies.  Just my guess though, I figure a top 1-3 winger prospect is worth more on the market than a top 1-3 goalie prospect coming from similar prospect pools.  But I'm also just talking out of my ass.

tater was all in for shane wright.

[slothfacekilla]

 

Seider 5th in Norris voting

[lordstanley]

7 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

 

Seider 5th in Norris voting

Should have been on the podium, but top 5 OK. Ahead of Hutson and Hughes.

[Shinzaki]

3 hours ago, lordstanley said:

Should have been on the podium, but top 5 OK. Ahead of Hutson and Hughes.

Neither of whom actually play defense

[Jason_R]

We should have traded Cossa for Myles Garrett. 

[lordstanley]

2 hours ago, Jason_R said:

We should have traded Cossa for Myles Garrett. 

Skubal for Nico Hischier?