Red Wings December 2025 Game Threads

[gehringer_2]

Talbot needed the win. He wasn't great on the second Caps goal - probably screened but if he's in better position it's still a stop. But was good otherwise.

[buddha]

beating the islanders and then the caps twice is a really good outcome.  wings are sitting pretty good right now.

[gehringer_2]

12 minutes ago, buddha said:

beating the islanders and then the caps twice is a really good outcome.  wings are sitting pretty good right now.

plus they get a little deeper when Kane returns.

[1984Echoes]

18 hours ago, buddha said:

Is there a bottom to this?

I'd love to see the Johansson-Hamonic and Johansson-JBD numbers...

[buddha]

14 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Is there a bottom to this?

I'd love to see the Johansson-Hamonic and Johansson-JBD numbers...

https://moneypuck.com/lines.htm

sixth worst in the league.  right ahead of nurse-walman, btw.  

[1984Echoes]

28 minutes ago, buddha said:

https://moneypuck.com/lines.htm

sixth worst in the league.  right ahead of nurse-walman, btw.  

I just looked at xGoals For versus xGoals Against:

Seider-Edvinsson: +8.4 (xGF 24.1 - xGA 15.7 = 8.4)

Johansson-JBD: +1.6 (xGF 9.6 - xGA 8 = 1.6)

Chiarot-ASP: -2 (xGF 17.2 - xGA 19.2 = -2.0)

Johansson-Hamonic: -3.3 (xGF 6.6 - xGA 8.9 = -3.3)

Edvinsson-ASP: -3.4 (xGF 4.1 - xGA 7.5 = -3.4)

[slothfacekilla]

57 minutes ago, buddha said:

https://moneypuck.com/lines.htm

sixth worst in the league.  right ahead of nurse-walman, btw.  

[buddha]

1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said:

I just looked at xGoals For versus xGoals Against:

Seider-Edvinsson: +8.4 (xGF 24.1 - xGA 15.7 = 8.4)

Johansson-JBD: +1.6 (xGF 9.6 - xGA 8 = 1.6)

Chiarot-ASP: -2 (xGF 17.2 - xGA 19.2 = -2.0)

Johansson-Hamonic: -3.3 (xGF 6.6 - xGA 8.9 = -3.3)

Edvinsson-ASP: -3.4 (xGF 4.1 - xGA 7.5 = -3.4)

if you believe in hockey analytics...asp has been very very bad at defense this year.  no matter who they put with him.

[gehringer_2]

40 minutes ago, buddha said:

if you believe in hockey analytics...asp has been very very bad at defense this year.  no matter who they put with him.

ASP is one of those guys who I can't figure out why he's in the league as a defenseman. He has a hockey skill set but it's much more an offensive one than a defensive one. I guess it just highlights the size of the step up to the NHL (pun inteneded). The NHL is fully of really big guys today. ASP is at too much physical disadvantage to the guys he has to go against. If you are going to keep a guy like that as PP specialist you're going to have to keep him paired with a really good stay at home guy the rest of the time. Gostisbehere V2.0 is probably his ceiling as a Dman.

[buddha]

12 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

ASP is one of those guys who I can't figure out why he's in the league as a defenseman. He has a hockey skill set but it's much more an offensive one than a defensive one. I guess it just highlights the size of the step up to the NHL (pun inteneded). The NHL is fully of really big guys today. ASP is at too much physical disadvantage to the guys he has to go against. If you are going to keep a guy like that as PP specialist you're going to have to keep him paired with a really good stay at home guy the rest of the time. Gostisbehere V2.0 is probably his ceiling as a Dman.

when he was drafted, gistisberhere was his most likely comp is he panned out.

those of us dreamers like me were pining away for erik karlsson 2.0...but when karlsson was asp's age he was already an all star.  when he was 21 he won the norris.

i might have been a little ambitious.

[1984Echoes]

2 hours ago, buddha said:

when he was drafted, gostisberhere was his most likely comp is he panned out.

those of us dreamers like me were pining away for erik karlsson 2.0...but when karlsson was asp's age he was already an all star.  when he was 21 he won the norris.

i might have been a little ambitious.

I'm not going to say Karlsson...

But he was -9 in October and -3 in November and -2 in December...

So...

Maybe he's improving a little bit?

I know he'll have his ups and downs (the past week was a big downer for him...),

But I expect him to get a bit stronger for next year now that he is experiencing just how difficult the NHL is...

Again, I'm not going to say Karlsson...

But I am certainly hoping that he can be better than Gostis 2.0.

[1984Echoes]

PS: On the bright side...

ASP is 20 years old.

And in the NHL already on a 2nd pairing with Ben Chiarot.

[buddha]

asp is fine.  his defense is bad as a 20 year old rookie.  that's fine.  most are.  he'll be ok.  i'm happy he's in the nhl and learning.