Ivey traded to Chicago for Kevin Huerter and Dario Saric

[RatkoVarda]

cannot package Huerter's contract with others

wish they had found a way to dump LeVert's contract

Donsunmu would have been better add I think

Minny got huge $ benefit from dumping Conley, and it should have cost them more

[papalawrence]

52 minutes ago, buddha said:

why?

Because he's overseen them go from 14 wins to the top of the East in 2 years

[Deleterious]

There is one way to package Huerter with others for a bigger deal.  Don't report the trade to the league.

All three teams agree to the trade, then don't report it to the league.  It would give the Pistons a day or two to work on a bigger trade.  For example, they add Brooklyn to the deal as a fourth team but instead of Huerter going to Detroit, he goes to Brooklyn plus LeVert and picks from Detroit for MPJ.  

If Detroit can't work out a larger deal, the three teams just turn in the original trade to the league right before the deadline on Thursday.

I'm not saying that is what is happening here.  Just saying it is  a possibility.  

 

[buddha]

5 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

There is one way to package Huerter with others for a bigger deal.  Don't report the trade to the league.

All three teams agree to the trade, then don't report it to the league.  It would give the Pistons a day or two to work on a bigger trade.  For example, they add Brooklyn to the deal as a fourth team but instead of Huerter going to Detroit, he goes to Brooklyn plus LeVert and picks from Detroit for MPJ.  

If Detroit can't work out a larger deal, the three teams just turn in the original trade to the league right before the deadline on Thursday.

I'm not saying that is what is happening here.  Just saying it is  a possibility.  

 

i think they want heurter because he can shoot.

saric is the deal i dont understand.  you HAD to take saric in order to move the former #5 pick in the draft for a 3 point shooter who plays no defense?

[buddha]

30 minutes ago, papalawrence said:

Because he's overseen them go from 14 wins to the top of the East in 2 years

i think that has to do with cade and firing monty williams.  trajan can take credit for replacing monty, but the cade thing is due to health.

bringing in beasley last year was a plus.  duncan has turned out ok so far (although i think he'll get beasley'd in the playoffs), lavert has sucked.  holland hasnt been anything great.

the pistons going from the worst team ever to good was due to internal growth and minor edge tinkering.  now comes the hard part, moving from good to a contender.  i dont think the pistons are there yet.

heurter aint gonna do it, but lets see if there is another shoe to drop.

[casimir]

I don’t like this trade by itself.  I get the extra bit of outside shooting (maybe).  I get the lack of wanting to extend Ivey.  But I guess if Ivey had that little of trade value, is there much sense in moving him?  He’s still coming off of a lost season, so, maybe ride this season out and see what happens?

Guess we’ll see what else shakes out.

[Deleterious]

13 minutes ago, buddha said:

i think they want heurter because he can shoot.

saric is the deal i dont understand.  you HAD to take saric in order to move the former #5 pick in the draft for a 3 point shooter who plays no defense?

Just looked at the Bulls cap sheet after the Vuc-Simons trade.  They are $4 million under the 1st apron.  So they had to send Saric out to stay under it.  Why Detroit helped them do that without being compensated is still a mystery, though.  

[Hongbit]

Just now, Deleterious said:

Just looked at the Bulls cap sheet after the Vuc-Simons trade.  They are $4 million under the 1st apron.  So they had to send Saric out to stay under it.  Why Detroit helped them do that without being compensated is still a mystery, though.  

Hmm.  Maybe there is a 4th part to this deal that will make it all make sense.   The Bulls still want to part with Ayo and White.    Please be Brooklyn or New Orleans!!!

[RatkoVarda]

I think they are going into playoff mode in March, so minutes will get tighter, and giving Ivey any run, a guy who is not in your PO rotation, makes no sense

[Deleterious]

OK, just read about the new(er) trade rules regarding salary.  Teams under the 1st apron can get back $7.5 million more than they send out, which is how Detroit could send out Ivey at $10 million and get Huerter back at $17 million.  

That makes the trade a little more interesting.  Because they could trade Huerter alone, and the same $7.5 million rule would apply.  Meaning they could target someone making $24.5 million.  

They could also do that with Saric, but at his lower salary it changes to 200% of his salary, so they could target someone for about $10 million.  

Or they do nothing, who knows.  

 

 

[buddha]

there has to be another trade.

[1984Echoes]

How about Duncan + Holland plus several 1sts for Trey Murphy?

[Deleterious]

26 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

How about Duncan + Holland plus several 1sts for Trey Murphy?

His contract is dirt cheap and for 3 more years. He's young enough to still kind of fit in their rebuild. There is no reason for them to trade him. So you would have to massively overpay, and your offer wouldn't even get a response. 

Unless he demands a trade or will be very expensive to acquire him. 

[buddha]

24 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

His contract is dirt cheap and for 3 more years. He's young enough to still kind of fit in their rebuild. There is no reason for them to trade him. So you would have to massively overpay, and your offer wouldn't even get a response. 

Unless he demands a trade or will be very expensive to acquire him. 

putting duren in the deal will get troy weaver interested.  after all, rebounding is the most important thing to him.

[Betrayer]

When I first read that we were in a trade with Chicago involving Ivey I assumed Ayo was the return. Imagine my disappointment when I saw it was Red Velvet.

After some time to digest this, I'm going to come at it from the other angle because I think I can understand what they're doing here.

The trade value for guys like Ivey (Monk, Sexton, Simons) is in the tank in the NBA. You can't move them. Ivey is a worse player than any of those, so his value was terrible. Your only chance to get anything significant was to package him with other players or picks and maybe those deals just weren't out there.

You weren't hanging on to Ivey in the offseason with what he probably wanted to make, so he was gone for whatever anyone wanted to offer him if you wanted to drag it out or nothing if you didn't drag it out.

Based upon the rumors over the past few weeks he could very well have asked out. You could tell he didn't want to be here. A trade had to happen for all of those reasons. Plus, every time he stepped on the floor it was a mess this year. You really couldn't pair him with anyone and make a competent backcourt.

Sad to say it, but Huerter is a better player. He's had some struggles shooting on a bad team, but he's a career 37% shooter who doesn't require his feet set and 15 seconds to set up his shot like Ivey. He's bigger. He's a better defender - he's not a good defender, he's maybe a neutral one, but he's not Ivey who was absolutely terrible.

If I'm looking down the bench and both Ivey and Huerter are there, I'm putting in Huerter. Sad, but true. I'm disappointed that the 5th pick was traded for a mediocre player, but at the end of the day it's an upgrade in my eyes. 

Side benefit is Huerter is another expiring contract which is more flexibility for the next 2 days or for the offseason.

[NYLion]

Weird trade, it doesn't make the Pistons better now and they lose on upside. It doesn't look like Ivey is the same player after the injury but he could easily bounce back next season with more time distanced from the injury.

With that said, they weren't paying Ivey after this season so I guess they wanted to get SOMETHING for him but this barely qualifies. If you had told me early last season that the Pistons traded Ivey for Huerter and inconsequential stuff I would have said you're crazy but that injury changed everything unfortunately. I actually liked Huerter quite a bit about 4 years ago but that's ancient history now. If this is Langdon's big move then that's a big yikes.

[1984Echoes]

9 minutes ago, buddha said:

putting duren in the deal will get troy weaver interested.  after all, rebounding is the most important thing to him.

How about adding in "BBall Paul"?

How could Weaver resist THAT...?!?!

[buddha]

i think it does make the pistons better now, but not by a ton.  its not what they need to be a championship caliber team.  but its possible they dont have the assets to trade for a difference maker.

if we thought ivey was going to be valued enough to include in a trade for a difference making player, this should be a wake up call.  ivey went for a guy you could grab with a second round pick.  that's his value.

what's holland's value?  what's duren's value or ausar's value when theyre due big pay days?  what's our pick's value when its likely to be in the 20s for the foreseeable future?

probably not much.

do you want damaged goods like ja?  maybe ausar and a bunch of picks gets you that.

[1984Echoes]

PS: And I STILL want White and Dosunmu.

But what does Chicago want...?

[buddha]

Just now, 1984Echoes said:

PS: And I STILL want White and Dosunmu.

But what does Chicago want...?

why do you want coby white?

ayo is getting extremely overrated.  he's a bench player on a playoff team.  he'll get played off the floor in a meaningful game, just like he is every playin game when the bulls get their asses kicked by the heat.  

ayo is what ivey is now, only he is a better defender.

and if the pistons wanted them, they would have traded for them in the heurter deal.

[Deleterious]

I posted something yesterday that said Chicago can't even get a 1st for White.  I don't think they are going to move Ayo.  

[1984Echoes]

5 minutes ago, buddha said:

why do you want coby white?

Ayo is getting extremely overrated.  he's a bench player ...

Both are unrestricted free agents after this season.

Chicago would like something, rather than losing them for nothing.

I wonder if several 2nds would be enough for them.

 

PS: Who would you prefer on the bench for the upcoming playoffs: Jenkins/ LeVert/ Huerter?

Or White/Dosunmu/Huerter?

(Daniss NOT traded, but on the bench behind these 3).

IMO, I want a White/Dosunmu combo off the bench, not a Jenkins/ Levert combo. And it's not even close, IMO.

[Betrayer]

Zero interest in Coby White.

I wanted Ayo in the deal, not because I wanted him to be a starter, but because he can hit the three and play some defense. We don't have any of those, not even mediocre ones, and we need to start upgrading our 1-way players to 2-way players.

[Deleterious]

Yeah, zero interest in White.  He's a future Sacramento King.  

[buddha]

38 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Both are unrestricted free agents after this season.

Chicago would like something, rather than losing them for nothing.

I wonder if several 2nds would be enough for them.

 

PS: Who would you prefer on the bench for the upcoming playoffs: Jenkins/ LeVert/ Huerter?

Or White/Dosunmu/Huerter?

(Daniss NOT traded, but on the bench behind these 3).

IMO, I want a White/Dosunmu combo off the bench, not a Jenkins/ Levert combo. And it's not even close, IMO.

the bulls could easily re-sign both of them.

i dont expect to see jenkins in the playoffs unless its an emergency, i figure they'll pick someone off the buyout heap that can handle the ball.

coby white can theoretically handle the ball, but he plays zero defense, is incredibly streaky as a shooter, and will be exposed by anyone playing serious defense.

i'm not giving up a first for that.  or dosunmu for that matter.  

ayo last year against the heat in the playin: 10 points in 26 minutes.  3-9 shooting.  1-4 from 3.

ayo the year before in the playin: 10 points in 41 minutes.  3-15 shooting.  2-11 from 3.

like coby, he will be found out in the playoffs.