buddha Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 2 hours ago, lordstanley said: And even more specific, outside of top 6 overall picks in round one … Apart from Finnie (and the departed Soderblom), the only pick to have really outperformed his draft position is Seider at #6. Raymond and Edvinsson are both good picks but not much better if at all than what you’d expect from #4 and #6 overall. I think ASP still has potential to outperform #17 overall. Apart from that, jury is out to say the least. Cossa (#15, 2021j is being passed, not only by Wallstedt but Montreal’s duo of Dobes (5th round, 2020) and Fowler (3rd round, 2023) and Toronto’s Hildeby (4th round, 2022). 7th rounders are just luck. the second round misses are huge. if, in fact, they end up being misses. still time for a few of them. but not much time. how's brady cleveland doing? kiiskanen? neiderbach? Quote
gehringer_2 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago (edited) 41 minutes ago, buddha said: i dont know, but soderblom didnt do jack here and now that he's in pittsburgh he's playing physical and scoring. sooooo.... I've often had the feeling in recent years that the Wings are a team where players come to get worse. So do they have really poor coaching and development people? I don't think TM is a bad NHL coach, but guys are not exactly blossoming under his coaching when they come up here either. Does Yzerman have a toxic philosophy about how to manage young players that has been enforced by him only hiring coaches that share the view and they are all just wrong? An org that can't progress has to make changes if that is going to change. I get that there are a lot of reasons CI is going to be slow to fire SY, but I can at still hope Ilitch would at least tell Yzerman that it's time to turn over his staff if he wants to remain the guy in charge. They just are not accomplishing anything more than 'about average' and you can't get better with that FO performance level. Edited 12 hours ago by gehringer_2 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 38 minutes ago, buddha said: i dont know, but soderblom didnt do jack here and now that he's in pittsburgh he's playing physical and scoring. sooooo.... IDK, I always thought he at least made the other team aware he was on the ice, which is more than most RW forwards achieve. I would have liked to have seen them given him more run. Quote
Jason_R Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: IDK, I always thought he at least made the other team aware he was on the ice, which is more than most RW forwards achieve. I would have liked to have seen them given him more run. 3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: I've often had the feeling in recent years that the Wings are a team where players come to get worse. So do they have really poor coaching and development people? I don't think TM is a bad NHL coach, but guys are not exactly blossoming under his coaching when they come up here either. Does Yzerman have a toxic philosophy about how to manage young players that has been enforced by him only hiring coaches that share the view and they are all just wrong? An org that can't progress has to make changes if that is going to change. I get that there are a lot of reasons CI is going to be slow to fire SY, but I can at still hope Ilitch would at least tell Yzerman that it's time to turn over his staff if he wants to remain the guy in charge. They just are not accomplishing anything more than 'about average' and you can't get better with that FO performance level. Yes, we have watched as the Lions acquire players with a plan for their development and then (in many cases) develop the players according to that plan. We have seen the Tigers appeal to players because their analytics team gives them strategies for improvement. Players on the Red Wings seem to be managed not to make mistakes. It seemed like TM was trying to break this trend after he arrived and maybe he still is by calling out players for their intensity. But I just don’t see any offensive creativity, spontaneity, or enthusiasm outside of Kane and Debrincat. Quote
lordstanley Posted 8 hours ago Author Posted 8 hours ago 4 hours ago, buddha said: 7th rounders are just luck. the second round misses are huge. if, in fact, they end up being misses. still time for a few of them. but not much time. how's brady cleveland doing? kiiskanen? neiderbach? Oliver Kapanen, the last pick of the 2nd round (#64) by the Habs in 2021 (#36 Shai Buium and #70 Carter Mazur's draft) scored the winner in the shootout tonight to get Montreal to 100 points on the season. He has 22G 15A 37Pts in 76 games, most goals by the rookie in the NHL this year. Quote
buddha Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 28 minutes ago, lordstanley said: Oliver Kapanen, the last pick of the 2nd round (#64) by the Habs in 2021 (#36 Shai Buium and #70 Carter Mazur's draft) scored the winner in the shootout tonight to get Montreal to 100 points on the season. He has 22G 15A 37Pts in 76 games, most goals by the rookie in the NHL this year. yeah, but does he try hard and play two way hockey as a 17 year old? that's what's REALLY important. Quote
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