Deleterious Posted June 12 Author Posted June 12 I would 100% take that risk. There is almost no chance he gets an offer on the open market. Quote
Betrayer Posted June 12 Posted June 12 7 hours ago, Deleterious said: I would 100% take that risk. There is almost no chance he gets an offer on the open market. The Lakers aren't clearing that much cap. I'm not even sure the Bulls or Nets are dumb enough to make a huge offer to Duren, but if they do then I guess congratulations Jalen Duren, you are a Chicago Bull or a Brooklyn Net! Or we can just match. Either way, those are loosing teams he won't want to go to. The best move would be a S&T to the Pelicans for Murphy and Missi. Maybe expand that to throw in some more assets and get Herb Jones back as well. But they won't do it. Either way, there's really no downside to letting him test the market. But again, they won't. They'll give him 38-42M for 5 years because of "player relations". Trajan is the opposite of Weaver. Where Weaver was happy to make reckless moves and "empty the clip" to the detriment of the team, Trajan is overly conservative and loyal...probably also to the detriment of the team. Quote
buddha Posted June 12 Posted June 12 12 minutes ago, Betrayer said: The Lakers aren't clearing that much cap. I'm not even sure the Bulls or Nets are dumb enough to make a huge offer to Duren, but if they do then I guess congratulations Jalen Duren, you are a Chicago Bull or a Brooklyn Net! Or we can just match. Either way, those are loosing teams he won't want to go to. The best move would be a S&T to the Pelicans for Murphy and Missi. Maybe expand that to throw in some more assets and get Herb Jones back as well. But they won't do it. Either way, there's really no downside to letting him test the market. But again, they won't. They'll give him 38-42M for 5 years because of "player relations". Trajan is the opposite of Weaver. Where Weaver was happy to make reckless moves and "empty the clip" to the detriment of the team, Trajan is overly conservative and loyal...probably also to the detriment of the team. i caution you against using the phrase "the bulls arent dumb enough to...." have you followed the bulls? they are "dumb enough" to do just about anything. the real question is whether their cheap asses would actually spend the money. 1 Quote
Deleterious Posted June 12 Author Posted June 12 This would take them out of the running for Duren. I honestly don't think they were ever seriously considering him anyway. Woike is the Lakers beat write for The Athletic. Quote
Deleterious Posted June 12 Author Posted June 12 I guess Woike also said Detroit and Atlanta are two teams who might take a swing at Reaves. I agree with Ku on that possibility. Quote
Betrayer Posted June 12 Posted June 12 Sounds like Reaves agent has been putting in a lot of work leading into free agency. 1 Quote
Deleterious Posted June 13 Author Posted June 13 50 minutes ago, buddha said: can we keep stew and give them duren? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/c5BsBnNdzP8 Quote
NorthWoods Posted June 14 Posted June 14 On 6/10/2026 at 1:07 PM, gehringer_2 said: I'm ambivalent on Ausar. I agree they are not a good team without him so that implies he's a must keep. My take is that he's young enough, talented enough and has the work ethic to improve and develop an offensive game. Quote
Deleterious Posted June 15 Author Posted June 15 Ausar Thompson developing a three point shot is basically a pipe dream, and here's why. When we talk about shooters who "need to improve," we're usually talking about guys sitting at 32-33% who just need a small bump to get to league average around 36%. Ausar is nowhere near that conversation. Over three seasons he's shooting 20% from three, with last year being his best at 25% — but he was only attempting 0.3 threes per game. Literally one attempt every four games. Even if he improves by the normal 3-4 points most guys manage, he's still under 30%. He'd need a double-digit jump just to reach league average. That almost never happens. The one guy people point to is Kyle Lowry. His first few seasons he shot around 25% from three, then went on to shoot 37% on six attempts a game for the next 12 or 13 years. So yes, it's possible. But here's the problem with hanging your hat on that comparison. Scouts use free throw percentage as a predictor of whether a guy can develop his three point shot. Generally 80% or better from the line means there's something to work with. When Lowry was shooting 25% from three, he was shooting 80% from the line. Ausar shoots 60% from the line. That's a massive red flag. At that point you're not talking about a mechanical fix, you're talking about a completely different shooter. So where does that leave Ausar offensively? It's not hopeless, just different. If he ever gets the confidence to attack the space defenses give him, he can still be effective. With his athleticism, agility, and body control, he's a nightmare to stop when he gets a running start from the perimeter. Even when a defender does cut him off, he can take a 6-8 foot floater or pull-up jumper. Think of it like a big man working from the post — a good player shoots over 55% from that range. If Ausar gets there, defenders will have to respect it and close out harder, which helps spacing even without a real three point threat. Not the same as knocking down threes, but it's something. Quote
buddha Posted June 15 Posted June 15 ku's podcast is all about the pistons being heavily interested in trading for trey murphy. del can barely contain himself. Quote
Deleterious Posted June 15 Author Posted June 15 2 hours ago, buddha said: ku's podcast is all about the pistons being heavily interested in trading for trey murphy. del can barely contain himself. Welcome to two years ago. We'll see. I'm skeptical that Langdon will give up 4 first round picks. Quote
buddha Posted June 15 Posted June 15 8 minutes ago, Deleterious said: Welcome to two years ago. We'll see. I'm skeptical that Langdon will give up 4 first round picks. i dont think he'll have to do that. unless youre counting stew, holland, and sasser as three of those assets. Quote
Deleterious Posted June 15 Author Posted June 15 4 minutes ago, buddha said: i dont think he'll have to do that. unless youre counting stew, holland, and sasser as three of those assets. Holland and Sasser are nothing but salary filler at this point. Nobody is giving up a 1st for Holland. Maybe on draft day someone might say, "Hey, here is the 28th pick for Holland." But nobody is giving up a future pick. If nobody will give it, then you can't count his value as a 1st rounder. Stew is worth a first for sure. But if you look at the Pelicans roster you quickly realize Stew isn't that attractive to them. Especially when you consider they would be sending out their best, and really only, shooter. So even if you ignore common sense and shoehorn Stew onto that roster, you still need to give up 3 picks. Is Langdon doing that? Maybe if he can get them to take 2026, 2027, and 2029 he would. But if I'm NO I want it pushed out further, so maybe Detroit isn't as good and the picks have more value. I'm asking for 2028, 30, 32. 30 and 32 would be out past Cade's current contract. You need to be careful when trading picks after his deal is up. I don't think he's leaving, but if he does as an unrestricted free agent, this team quickly becomes a dumpster fire and those picks increase in value. Quote
Deleterious Posted June 15 Author Posted June 15 That value also assumes Detroit is the only team involved. They won't be. All 29 teams are going to put a call in for Murphy. Quote
Deleterious Posted June 16 Author Posted June 16 Remember, Bane recently went for 4 1st round picks and Bridges went for 5. Murphy is very comparable to them. Bane went for 1 less because of his dumb contract of $40 million a year. Bridges got the extra pick because he was on a very team friendly deal, just like Murphy is. I think when the Knicks traded for Bridges he was making about $22-$23 million per year. I think Murphy makes $27, $29, and $31 million the next 3 seasons. Quote
buddha Posted June 16 Posted June 16 28 minutes ago, Deleterious said: Holland and Sasser are nothing but salary filler at this point. Nobody is giving up a 1st for Holland. Maybe on draft day someone might say, "Hey, here is the 28th pick for Holland." But nobody is giving up a future pick. If nobody will give it, then you can't count his value as a 1st rounder. Stew is worth a first for sure. But if you look at the Pelicans roster you quickly realize Stew isn't that attractive to them. Especially when you consider they would be sending out their best, and really only, shooter. So even if you ignore common sense and shoehorn Stew onto that roster, you still need to give up 3 picks. Is Langdon doing that? Maybe if he can get them to take 2026, 2027, and 2029 he would. But if I'm NO I want it pushed out further, so maybe Detroit isn't as good and the picks have more value. I'm asking for 2028, 30, 32. 30 and 32 would be out past Cade's current contract. You need to be careful when trading picks after his deal is up. I don't think he's leaving, but if he does as an unrestricted free agent, this team quickly becomes a dumpster fire and those picks increase in value. who would trade a future unprotected first round pick for the right to take derrick queen, even when the other team asked them "are you sure you mean unprotected?" who i ask you, who? Quote
buddha Posted June 16 Posted June 16 stew, holland, plus first round picks in 27 and 29 and swaps in 28 and 30. throw in sasser if weaver wants him. Quote
1984Echoes Posted June 16 Posted June 16 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Deleterious said: ... 30 and 32 would be out past Cade's current contract. You need to be careful when trading picks after his deal is up. I don't think he's leaving, but if he does as an unrestricted free agent, this team quickly becomes a dumpster fire and those picks increase in value. IMHO... I think it is more valuable to the Pistons to add draft picks to the roster, this year, than to do a go-for-broke trade with several future 1sts for a Trey Murphy, even as much as I would desperately want him on this team. Also keep in mind, 1st rounders this year are RFA's after the 29-30 season so... a lot of flexibility with the cap is available that offseason including giving Cade an extension, or not. Possible methods to adding additional 2026 1st rounders: What would the Knicks (Mitch Robinson leaving...?), Spurs, or Thunder give for Stew? Should we trade Stew as part of a Murphy package? or could we get a 2026 1st rounder + back instead from one of these teams? Are the Thunder really looking to get out of their second 1st round pick? The Hornets? That's the rumor at least... I believe. I would trade two future 1sts, or a future 1st plus however many multiple 2nds it would get take to get extra picks this year. Again, IMHO, I think 2026 1st rounders are more important to the Pistons than future picks. I'm looking at guys like Cameron Carr, Allen Graves, Josh Jefferson, Henri Veesaar, Bruce Thornton, etc... To try and add some 3&D forwards, ballhandlers, stretch-4/5, etc... I just think adding multiple options that are young (and yes, will have growing pains), but have talent/upside, rather than just one guy is better for the team long-term/ Cade/ playoffs... etc. IMHO. Edited June 16 by 1984Echoes Quote
Deleterious Posted June 16 Author Posted June 16 10 minutes ago, buddha said: stew, holland, plus first round picks in 27 and 29 and swaps in 28 and 30. throw in sasser if weaver wants him. If we're doing unrealistic trades, at least do 26 and 27 and get that **** out of the way. Allows a lot more flexibility for future trades and protects Detroit if things go off the rails in upcoming years. Quote
buddha Posted June 16 Posted June 16 2 minutes ago, Deleterious said: If we're doing unrealistic trades, at least do 26 and 27 and get that **** out of the way. Allows a lot more flexibility for future trades and protects Detroit if things go off the rails in upcoming years. i think youre overrating trey murphy's value. Quote
Deleterious Posted June 16 Author Posted June 16 18 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: IMHO... I think it is more valuable to the Pistons to add draft picks to the roster, this year, than to do a go-for-broke trade with several future 1sts for a Trey Murphy, even as much as I would desperately want him on this team. Also keep in mind, 1st rounders this year are RFA's after the 29-30 season so... a lot of flexibility with the cap is available that offseason including giving Cade an extension, or not. Possible methods to adding additional 2026 1st rounders: What would the Knicks (Mitch Robinson leaving...?), Spurs, or Thunder give for Stew? Should we trade Stew as part of a Murphy package? or could we get a 2026 1st rounder + back instead from one of these teams? Are the Thunder really looking to get out of their second 1st round pick? The Hornets? That's the rumor at least... I believe. I would trade two future 1sts, or a future 1st plus however many multiple 2nds it would get take to get extra picks this year. Again, IMHO, I think 2026 1st rounders are more important to the Pistons than future picks. I'm looking at guys like Cameron Carr, Allen Graves, Josh Jefferson, Henri Veesaar, Bruce Thornton, etc... To try and add some 3&D forwards, ballhandlers, stretch-4/5, etc... I just think adding multiple options that are young (and yes, will have growing pains), but have talent/upside, rather than just one guy is better for the team long-term/ Cade/ playoffs... etc. IMHO. The Knicks don't have a tradable 1st for 5 or 6 years due to the Bridges trade. OKC currently has two centers better than Stew on the roster, so he is out. Rumor is/was if they can't move up into the top 3 then they want to move their picks for future picks, so Detroit could deal there. But I'm not giving up two future 1st rounders for a 1st this year and that is probably what Presti will want. But the deal is probably there if Detroit wants it. San Antonio could be interesting for Stewart. He is an upgrade over Kornet. When you sub out the #1 rim protecting center and replace him with the #2 rim protecting center, that is pretty appealing. SA has all of their picks + a few other 1st rounders from other teams. The biggest negative is they pick 20th this year. I disagree on the strategy of adding more picks though. Cade is ready now and deserves players also ready to win now, not 3+ years from now. The Pistons should concentrate on bringing in players that help Cade day 1 of training camp. Quote
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