Deleterious Posted June 19 Author Posted June 19 Yeah, not impossible but very difficult to do. 1 Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted June 19 Posted June 19 (edited) I know this won't happen because we wouldn't do it and the Pelicans/Nets likely wouldn't either. However, I'm going to ask a question out of ignorance. Is there any world out there where Duren could be apart of the trade package for Trey Murphy or Michael Porter Jr.? Is it a 100% guarantee that we have to and will hold onto Duren? Would Paul Reed be an option for starting at center if Duren was traded? Edited June 19 by Mr.TaterSalad Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 19 Posted June 19 1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Would Paul Reed be an option for starting at center if Duren was traded? How Reid would handle up going against NBA 5s for 25+ minutes a night? He's generally listed at 210-220. Quote
NYLion Posted June 19 Posted June 19 (edited) 3 hours ago, Betrayer said: The thing people like to say about "hiding" someone's defensive deficiencies only applies to the regular season. We hid Duncan all year when nobody looked at scouting reports or had a game plan. Once the playoffs came around we saw screen after screen to target our weakest link. The difference is that Herro can make it up with his shot making, Robinson was just a spot up guy mainly. The Pistons aren't getting a high end two way guy, those guys aren't available. Their biggest weakness currently is a #2 scorer and Herro can fill that role and for way less assets than Murphy would cost and Murphy isn't a good defender either tbh. Edited June 19 by NYLion Quote
Deleterious Posted June 19 Author Posted June 19 It's going to be a banger of a summer. Overpay your underachieving center. Trade away your only big that plays defense. Bring in a guy like Herro who has missed about 1/3 of all games in his career. But that doesn't matter because when he does play he is so bad on defense you wish he was injured again. 1 Quote
Deleterious Posted June 19 Author Posted June 19 Not so much with the making it up with his shot making. 1 Quote
Betrayer Posted June 19 Posted June 19 1 hour ago, NYLion said: The difference is that Herro can make it up with his shot making, Robinson was just a spot up guy mainly. The Pistons aren't getting a high end two way guy, those guys aren't available. Their biggest weakness currently is a #2 scorer and Herro can fill that role and for way less assets than Murphy would cost and Murphy isn't a good defender either tbh. Unfortunately, he really doesn't make up for it. And it's even worse in the playoffs. We aren't building a regular season team anymore. I'm of a different mindset when it comes to our biggest need. A lot of people thinks it's a #2 scorer/creator, and they're willing to trade assets for undersized players or terrible defenders. I disagree. I think the greatest need is 2-way players. Every player on this team is either defense or offense currently. We desperately need 3 and D players. After that, you can easily go out and get a guy who is just a "scorer" to relieve Cade occasionally pretty cheaply. You don't have to trade your assets for one. The Coby White's and Collin Sexton's of the world don't cost much. As for Trey Murphy, I'm guessing the deal is dead based on several indicators, but comparing his defense to Herro is just silly. Just his length and athleticism alone make him a better defender. Put him on a team that emphasizes defense where the games matter and I have no worry about him holding up defensively. 2 Quote
Betrayer Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Glad to hear the last part of that. I'm hoping they don't think they can run it back and are looking to make a move. Whether a move is out there or not is another question. Based upon Trajan's presser it really sounds like he has no intention of trading this year's pick. This is a total guess, but I'd bet that's the sticking point in the Murphy deal. No way Weaver wants to stay out of this year's draft and they don't have a pick otherwise. I hope this isn't true, because Trajan falling in love with his draft board and not pulling the trigger on Murphy for that reason would be nuts. 1 Quote
NorthWoods Posted June 20 Posted June 20 6 hours ago, Betrayer said: No way Weaver wants to stay out of this year's draft and they don't have a pick otherwise. If true I'd attribute it to him trying to be forward thinking rather than being in love with the board. Obviously this team is about to get much more expensive with Cade, Jalen and Ausar all getting very pricey. They need to keep feeding young cost controlled talent in to manage the cap vs the aprons. I'm sure that's why they're supposedly shopping Stew. You can't have Jalen, Stew and Reed all on market rate contracts at C with the needs we have elsewhere. Quote
NorthWoods Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Does anyone think Reaves really moves the needle for the Pistons? I'm very skeptical. Quote
buddha Posted June 20 Posted June 20 38 minutes ago, NorthWoods said: Does anyone think Reaves really moves the needle for the Pistons? I'm very skeptical. offensively, yes. Quote
Deleterious Posted June 21 Author Posted June 21 3 hours ago, NorthWoods said: Does anyone think Reaves really moves the needle for the Pistons? I'm very skeptical. I believe there are two players you never pay. Centers being the first one and SG's that play no defense being the second. The Pistons are about to pay both of those guys. The one thing all of these Reaves/Herro fans don't ever look at is playoff performance. Reaves the past 3 playoff seasons has shot 26%, 31%, and 27% from three. Herro for his career 50 playoff games shoots 32% from three. Both guys have a history of not showing up in the playoffs. What are they doing to help their team when the shot isn't falling? Not much. 1 Quote
buddha Posted June 21 Posted June 21 how can the pistons have room to sign duren, ausar, AND reaves to big deals? reaves doesnt seem like the type of player they would spend big money on. if you want a scorer who playa no defense, wait for lavine to get bought out and sign him to a smaller deal. Quote
Deleterious Posted June 21 Author Posted June 21 (edited) 19 minutes ago, buddha said: how can the pistons have room to sign duren, ausar, AND reaves to big deals? reaves doesnt seem like the type of player they would spend big money on. if you want a scorer who playa no defense, wait for lavine to get bought out and sign him to a smaller deal. Sign and trade for Stewart + filler. Probably someone like LeVert. But by all the talk the past hour or two it sounds like Herro is almost a done deal. By the way. Expect an immediate contract extension if they trade for Herro. You can't give up Stew and chance the player you get for him walks next summer. Edited June 21 by Deleterious Quote
NYLion Posted June 21 Posted June 21 On 6/19/2026 at 5:46 PM, Betrayer said: Unfortunately, he really doesn't make up for it. And it's even worse in the playoffs. We aren't building a regular season team anymore. I'm of a different mindset when it comes to our biggest need. A lot of people thinks it's a #2 scorer/creator, and they're willing to trade assets for undersized players or terrible defenders. I disagree. I think the greatest need is 2-way players. Every player on this team is either defense or offense currently. We desperately need 3 and D players. After that, you can easily go out and get a guy who is just a "scorer" to relieve Cade occasionally pretty cheaply. You don't have to trade your assets for one. The Coby White's and Collin Sexton's of the world don't cost much. As for Trey Murphy, I'm guessing the deal is dead based on several indicators, but comparing his defense to Herro is just silly. Just his length and athleticism alone make him a better defender. Put him on a team that emphasizes defense where the games matter and I have no worry about him holding up defensively. Where are you getting a guy that is a 20+ ppg scorer and a high end defender? Those guys just aren't available. All these guys mentioned that might be available, Markannen, MPJ, Murphy, Herro etc. All these guys have defensive decencies even though they can shoot. Murphy might have more length but he's not a good defender. Maybe it could improve here in a different system but he's not currently and he would cost a crapload of assets more than Herro. Are you willing to give up the equivalent of 4 1sts for Murphy? That's what your likely giving up to pry him from New Orleans whereas Herro would likely only cost one of those assets. My point is that there is no perfect solution here. Herro wouldn't be my #1 option by any means but he could help. I've seen this guy play, he's a bucket. He can go hot and cold but that's the case with a lot of these guys that aren't franchise players. He might very well get hunted defensively so yes that's a problem but you just hope that he produces enough offense to make up for that whereas Robinson just wasn't good enough offensively to do so. Quote
Deleterious Posted June 21 Author Posted June 21 Getting a big Flip Saunders vibe from this summer. Abandon the core principle that brought us success and go in a 180 degree direction from it. 1 Quote
Deleterious Posted June 21 Author Posted June 21 Tyler Herro is the Jalen Duren of shooting guards. All regular season stats, awful in the playoffs. His career numbers in 50 playoff games: MPG - 30.6 PPG - 14.6 3PT% - 32.8% FTA - 2.2 A guy making $33 million a year draws one foul a game? APG - 3.3 Steals - 0.4 Blocks - 0.2 TS% - 52.3% League average for a SG this season was 57.3%. To be considered a good number it needs to be 60%. Some absolutely terrible offensive numbers. Couple that with the fact he is one of the worst defenders in the league, and you really have to wonder why anyone would want him. I also was a bit rude to Duren with my comparison. Herro has missed 33% of his regular season games in his career. At least Duren suits up about 85% of the time. 1 Quote
buddha Posted June 21 Posted June 21 9 hours ago, Deleterious said: Sign and trade for Stewart + filler. Probably someone like LeVert. But by all the talk the past hour or two it sounds like Herro is almost a done deal. By the way. Expect an immediate contract extension if they trade for Herro. You can't give up Stew and chance the player you get for him walks next summer. 🤢 Quote
NorthWoods Posted June 21 Posted June 21 9 hours ago, Deleterious said: By the way. Expect an immediate contract extension if they trade for Herro. Agreed, which doubles down on the error. Becomes almost an immediate buyout candidate. How do front offices not see this? 1 Quote
NorthWoods Posted June 21 Posted June 21 Stewart on a reasonable contract and a 1st for Herro on a bad contract seems rich to me. This is the trade Sankofa is speculating in today's Freep: Tyler Herro, Miami Heat Pistons acquire: Tyler Herro (1 year, $33 million remaining). Heat acquire: Giannis Antetokounmpo (2 years, $121 million, 2027-28 player option). Milwaukee Bucks acquire: Isaiah Stewart (2 years, $30 million, 2027-28 team option), Caris LeVert (1 year, $14.8 million), Nikola Jovic (4 years, $62.4 million), DET 2027 1st-round pick (top-four protected), MIA 2027 1st, MIA 2029 1st, MIA 2031 1st, MIA 2033 1st. Quote
Deleterious Posted June 21 Author Posted June 21 45 minutes ago, NorthWoods said: Stewart on a reasonable contract and a 1st for Herro on a bad contract seems rich to me. This is the trade Sankofa is speculating in today's Freep: Tyler Herro, Miami Heat Pistons acquire: Tyler Herro (1 year, $33 million remaining). Heat acquire: Giannis Antetokounmpo (2 years, $121 million, 2027-28 player option). Milwaukee Bucks acquire: Isaiah Stewart (2 years, $30 million, 2027-28 team option), Caris LeVert (1 year, $14.8 million), Nikola Jovic (4 years, $62.4 million), DET 2027 1st-round pick (top-four protected), MIA 2027 1st, MIA 2029 1st, MIA 2031 1st, MIA 2033 1st. Ugh. A first round pick as well? Not a fan. Quote
NYLion Posted June 21 Posted June 21 (edited) Yeah, I'm ok with adding Herro but Stewart+1st is too rich for my blood. Stew+filler should be enough, the Heat and Bucks need the Pistons to pull off this trade so they should have leverage in this situation. Edited June 21 by NYLion Quote
Hongbit Posted June 21 Posted June 21 What would this do the cap after next season? Looks like a ton of money coming off especially if they don’t try to bring back Herro. Could be a really nice position to be in going forward. Honestly, I’m just happy there appears to be at least one GM in this town that realizes his roster is good but not good enough to win a title and isn’t afraid to make a big move to try and get there. Quote
NorthWoods Posted June 21 Posted June 21 22 minutes ago, Hongbit said: What would this do the cap after next season? Looks like a ton of money coming off especially if they don’t try to bring back Herro. Could be a really nice position to be in going forward. Honestly, I’m just happy there appears to be at least one GM in this town that realizes his roster is good but not good enough to win a title and isn’t afraid to make a big move to try and get there. I'm all for a big move, just not a cripplingly stupid move. I know there's an argument I'm wrong but I don't see Herro as much of an upgrade over Robinson and he's injury prone. For that we give up valuable assets and wreck our cap situation? No thanks. Quote
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