1984Echoes

They're at roughly: LESS $65 million right now, doing nothing. Move Eduardo and their payroll is down $80 mill from this year, before making any moves. (Miggy, Schoop, Lorenzen, Boyd, Cisnero, Turnbull, Austin Meadows).

There's no possible way that the two teams knew this for DAYS but still spent all this time trying to hammer out a deal. What a colossal waste of time for both teams if they KNEW this but still wasted time working on a deal. Seriously?

+1

Whiff.

I'm good with that. It ain't over till it's over...

This is a whiff by Harris... If he's communicating with Eduardo... and is pretty certain he'll pull his no-trade option on a Dodgers deal... Then he should have been all-in on the Orioles instead... Harris can still negotiate with the Dodgers/ Reds/ etc./ other teams... But when push comes to shove, he has to pull the trigger on a deal from a team that Eduardo does not have on his no-trade/ cannot nix the deal. Even if it's a lower haul than a Dodgers deal... you take the best deal that won't be nixed. Push the Orioles as far as they'll go and take their deal. Even if a potential Dodgers deal is better... IMO.

Scherzer and Verlander waived their no-trades... IIRC.

Dalton Rushing, Nick Frasso... maybe one more lower level guy... (just WAG'ing...)

ERRRGGG!!!

Exactly.

I was still hoping for some (at least one?) low-level additional lottery ticket as a throw-in... But... guess not.

I can't get Hao Yu out of my mind. I also don't feel attached, or confused, by all the Lee mentions... So I'm just thinking... Hao Yu?

To the Dodgers or the Orioles for the win...

For Lorenzen... I think yes. Crawford is too much.

Add in some Andrew Baker and Alex McFarlane and that could be really interesting... But... probably not. I never get what I want...

I was just going to post: Lorenzen to the Phillies for Hao-Yu Lee + ...? MLB-TV is talking like the deal is done...

I prefer this one (OPS+): 2017 (Det) - 133 2018 (Det) - 91 2019 (Det) - 70 2020 (Det) - 137 2021 (Det) - 121 2022 (Det) - 82 2023 (Wash) - 128 Which tells me that Candy is an ABOVE-average hitter and that 2019 and 2022 were simply outliers.

And even though I said it was too rich a trade to believe... I ALSO believed it for a second...! "HOLY CRAP!!!" "Wait, wait a second..." "Crap. Confirmed as... crap." "Oh well". "Crap" (all in the space of less than 30 seconds...)

The only problem with considering a trade of Tork!!! right now is that we'd be selling at a low point and not get the return we would like for him... So I guess it would depend on one's viewpoint of Tork: Believe in his upside = we won't get the right asking price = so wait for his development curve to reach a higher point. DON'T believe in his upside or that he's good enough/ we could find better = the right asking price might not be much but go ahead and take it anyways. Personally, I believe he has a much higher upside than what he's shown so far. So my asking price might be higher than others and I don't think we'd get a good enough return offer to contemplate moving him at this point...

No that was definitely too good to be true, For Lorenzen & Cisnero?

Thanks much for the detailed heads U.P. !

I think that's icing, not the cake. Trump is the cake. A poisoned cake that everyone knows for 100% certainty... and to avoid like the plague. Except for MAGA. They're perfectly fine eating poisoned cake. Although I don't see how they can eat that cake and "have" it too...

But if this team is adamant about position flexibility, as you are maintaining... Then we should trade him, right? Because Torkelson is not position-flexible. At all.

How much versatility does Spencer Torkelson have again...?

The reaction times are much faster at 3B than at 2B. Must have a strong arm for 3B. Neither are required at 2B. In fact teams hide guys at 2B if they have to... guys with weak arms and also limited mobility/ reaction times but with a big bat. Range is needed less at 3B than at 2B. Just some off the cuff observations without the empirical data to support those WAG theories...