Motown Bombers

Seattle and Detroit had the same record and Seattle literally needed Detroit to get them into the playoffs.

This decline as the season went on should be troubling if you're on team Geno.

If they get 5 really good years out of Gibbs, that would be worth it. RBs, unlike other positions, can start and make an impact from day one. It it really better if you get 8 years from another position but it took a year or two to develop them?

You would think the Lions would want to button up the leaker. Teams can just read Charlie Campbell's to know who the Lions are going take.

Right and NYLion literally said career trajectory.

Had the Lions as day two winners. He also likes the Lions day one draft.

The team with the fewest rush attempts had 386 for the year. That's still over 22 per game. The league is passing the ball more but teams still run and QBs run more now than ever. A LB with sideline to sideline speed is valuable against these mobile QBs that gashed the Lions. Gibbs is often compared to Kamara who gets anywhere from 250-280 total touches per year. That's about 15+ touches a game. WRs aren't touching the ball that many times a season. Only a QB is.

They aren't. It's their career trajectories. Both Stafford and Goff had rather abysmal partial rookie seasons. Both then quickly peaked. Both then regressed and hit bottom around age 25-26. Both got new offensive coordinators around age 27 and both started to rebound and become less turnover prone passers under the new offensive coordinator. One had the narrative that he's only successful because of the coordinator while the other did not.

That is a good comp. I wouldn't say Harbaugh was as bad as Geno but those early Bears teams were a lot better than the Jets.

You look at the splits and Geno Smith did start to crater back to reality by the end of the season. Goff got better as the season went on. As the run game regressed with Swift being injured, they leaned on Goff more and he got better. Goff had more pass attempts in December than any other month and had his best month of the season. It was also when the Lions were in playoff contention. Geno Smith in December also had the most pass attempts of the year but it was his worst four game stretch of the year and Seattle was 1-3.

Plunkett was ROY like you mentioned. Geno Smith was flat out awful with the Jets and was a journeyman backup for years. Only comp I come up with is Rich Gannon but IIRC injuries were a part of Gannon's early career.

It's weird how RB and LB are considered low value positions when RBs touch the ball more than any player on offense other than the QB and LBs tackle more people than any other player on defense.

I'm trying to think of a QB in recent memory who was completely awful their entire career until breaking out at age 32? Rich Gannon is the only one that comes to mind and I wouldn't even say he was as awful as Smith before breaking out.

Here's Matthew Stafford age 25 and 26 like Goff in 2019 and 2020. Game manager.

I don't think it's controversial that Goff is a much safer bet than Geno Smith who did nothing in his career until age 32.

If Goff was awful, I shudder to think what Geno Smith was in New York. Goff also had a track record of playing at a high level and his floor was nowhere near Geno. Geno never played at this level at any point in his career. Goff has. There is no doubt Geno Smith is more questionable to repeat the performance. Going back to the turnover point on Goff, his INT rate has dropped since leaving McVay's offense. Stafford's has risen and Stafford lead the league in INTs in his first year in McVay's offense. Maybe it's McVay's offense if two QBs throw more INTs while playing for McVay than other coaches?

LOL Geno Smith had nearly double the INT rate as Goff did during the bad years, negative TD/INT Ratio, significantly lower completion percentage, significantly lower QB rating, and lower QBR. Geno Smith was literally worse at everything than Goff and never had multiple Pro Bowl seasons prior.

Wait until you hear Seattle lost to Carolina! at Seattle! and they had over 200 yards rushing against Seattle!

It literally took Seattle overtime and horrendous officiating in their favor to beat a Rams teams without Stafford, Kupp, or Donald so don't come at me about close wins. The Lions went into Lambeau in January in a game the Packers had to win and won.

Seattle beat the Jets last year so they are better than the Jets this year.

It was more than a half. It was 10 games. I mean, why isn't Seattle being asked to prove the first half wasn't a fluke and Geno Smith isn't a fluke? The Lions were close to beating the Eagles, Dolphins, Vikings and Seattle early in the season. Those close games early in the season started becoming wins by the end of the season. The Lions were the 2nd youngest team in the NFL at the start of the season. The team grew as the season went on.

BTW, Geno Smith didn't put up 48. He had two touchdowns. Goff had four but he had a costly pick six. Without that pick six, Detroit wins. Goff has since gone on one of the longest streaks in history without an INT.

I'm curious to see how the Packers do. I like that Holmes didn't just go defense and continued to build on an already good offense and still address the defense. The Packers haven't spent a 1st round pick on offense since 2011. It will be interesting to see if the same phenomena happens with Green Bay that happened with New England. Was it Rodgers carrying that team and their neglect of the offense finally shows, or have they really been building a good supporting cast?

If you aren't taking a player because of positional value, then who do you take? I think the argument could be made for Gonzalez. Of the players taken after Gibbs, that's the only one. You could also make the argument they stay at 6 and take one of Carter, Wilson or even Robinson but you also have to factor in they picked up LaPorta in the trade.