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This screams "Tell me how you're not reading what i'm saying, without reading what i'm saying"

https://www.elkocountynv.net/meetings/board_of_commissioners/index.php They have the agenda and video of the meeting online. This is a health board meeting. Based on what they said in it, in the last county board meeting someone requested to have this on the agenda and they agreed to put it on the health agenda. I'm not sure if that signals a desire to hopefully find a way to be the evil GQP they are or just normal operating procedure. First guy gets up to discuss why he requested it. He's actually against 12 vaccines in total as they all share some of the same ingredients such as toxic metals and venoms. He has a background in alternative medicine. I mean, if we're making assumptions, let's just say this is the shtick I'd hear back in my days in Ann Arbor back when liberal celebrities loved Trump. The board thanked him for his time, then they all agreed not to take any action on his request. Which I guess if they even said they would take action, I don't think that necessarily even means they are saying yes, just that they would pursue the request further. I wouldn't be surprised if that would mean the county board and county law team would need to review, etc. Next agenda item is requesting the county stop advertising for Covid and Flu shots. 1st person up asks if the county mandates vaccines, they do not. She's satisfied. Next person says the county should ban the vaccines (a little late to stand up apparently) Next person says vaccines are good and should be supported, willing to discuss privately with anyone that wants to. Next person (Here is your MAGA that everyone expected the entire county to be) gets up and is appreciative of Evon Musk (spelled correctly based on how she said it) for exposing 'fauci ouchi'. Next person gets up and talks about what she saw at the local hospital she works at and says they should not ban it. No one else, the board all agrees not to take action. So for your counts, 3 asking for ban, 2 asking for no ban, and 1 that apparently just wanted to know if the county mandates the vaccine. For the written in comments and e-comments, 3 written in comments that do not support it. 1 from a Wendy with a Las Vegas phone number that does support a ban. For the e-comments, 5 comments and all do not support it. Final counts on local comments, not just those that spoke at the meeting (assuming they are all local) 4 for the ban 10 against the ban 71%, now add in the 7 members of the board (at least 5 elected as it says on the website it consists of 5 county board members, a health officer, and the sheriff) and you're over 80% of the community is against this ban.

Have you ever watched a local board meeting? You know how many people got cancer and migraines in Warren once they switched to smart (wireless) water meters? If you watched the meetings you'd know that number had to be around 90%, give or take 10%

The assumption was never my problem. I merely pointed to the fact that until a few years ago, there was a subset from one political party that seemed to own that way of thinking. Today, there are subsets in both parties that do. Add in the fact it's a heavily red county, putting money on it being a MAGA type probably is the safe bet, i'll give you that. I simply inserted some context to the boards universal assumption indicating even that could possibly be wrong. But even if you're not, you have a lone MAGA whacko who couldn't get a single person, which we all appear to be assuming without any argument are mostly GOP as well, to support him. Some who even were quoted about having negative views of the Covid vaccine and based on their responses, never actually gave it any merit. Still, somehow, most of this board used it to further feed and strengthen your believes of just how crazy the GOP is. There is enough legitimate crap they do to show that, I guess I don't know why most need to bend the narrative on everything.

If you actually read what I wrote, I admitted I can suffer from some of the same type of biases as you folks do. I even admitted with the "I would hope" portion of my response that I don't always respond in a good way either. That is hypocritical and I have to own that, but I do actively try not to do that. But you all took an issue which actually goes against the narrative that all GOP is crazy as a very red county unanimously voted against an action from a lone weirdo and still managed to turn that into more proof that the GOP is crazy. In fact those council members are evil! Luckily the agenda item had to many words on it and it completely confused them and they likely voted it down in error, but next time....<insert scary da dah daaaaa>!

Oh boy, that gotcha moment certainly has me red faced. You guys got me good. MTUTigers used to many words and I just couldn't process the trap he was setting up for me.

If they were just talking mRNA or chips in the vaccine, I'd assume it was probably some crazy MAGA from Dexter. If it were chemicals/mercury, I would assume lefty. I worked with a lot of anti-vax folks in Ann Arbor for years and getting a vaccine was somewhat equivalent of getting 'marked by the beast'. Oddly enough, most of them would drink the mRNA by the bottle daily if someone with a 'D' next to their name told them too. They won't get the flu shot still though as they get all the protection they need from Kambucha. What I hope I did, rather than just assuming and blasting/outraging at the other side, I'd take a moment to understand the full story. Think of any case where you hear racist words were painted on someone's property or a noose was found, I absolutely jump to the idea that the person that found it, did it for attention. But instead of pointing out times that has happened and attaching this new event to that, I try not to get outraged and either try and find out the whole story or wait for the event to unfold.

I'm not arguing against that, but this is one single person, who we don't even know if they are left or right. You guys are assuming it as it fits a narrative. He very well could be a right winger, but even than that makes this an anecdote at best. The facts are a single person apparently has the right to make an absurd request and a very red county unanimously rejected it. Yet you all spun it to prove just how crazy the right is.

Absolutely agree...

Point taken, red counties only have dumb hillbilly hicks in them. Probably want women in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, amirite?

https://elkodaily.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/elko-county-health-board-wont-ban-vaccines/article_aeb0a9d6-97a3-11ed-88e5-ef87ca77d410.html So what is likely a very red area, voted unanimously against a request by a single member of the community to ban several vaccines, not just Covid, because of the chemicals in the vaccine. The crazies talking about chips in the vaccine = right wing weirdos, but the crazies that bring up chemicals, that space has been owned by left wing wackos for decades. But hey, don't mean to break up the narrative each of you feed off of each other with to further differentiate yourself from all those 'crazies' on the right.

I kind of feel Biden is turning up the pressure for negotiations. Instead of “how about you go home and stop embarrassing yourself”. It’s that plus, we might take Crimea too, how ‘bout that?

I thought if a democratic country wants to defend itself, we have no choice but to help them.

True, but also note they didn't say weapons would be exhausted, they said supply chains. As you know already, i'm an idiot, but I hope those guys have more of a pulse on what is needed. Two years ago if I said there would be a chip shortage, would you have assumed it would be tougher to get a laptop or a car? Maybe it's nothing but what you're saying it is, but the comments from the Fleet commander made some news and forced a response from the Navy Secretary whom I'm sure had some comments from the White House to help force a response. Still it wasn't a complete walkback.

I'm not going to lie, I'm not an expert on these things. I'm just going off of a statement made by the Fleet commander and like I said, somewhat walked back, but somewhat agreed to, by the Navy Secretary. But again, I am no expert, so it's 1984 and Gehringer vs the Navy Fleet Commander and the Navy Secretary. I do know math though, and 2 = 2, so I guess we have to call it a draw. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/navy-secretary-says-that-us-navy-may-need-to-choose-between-arming-itself-or-ukraine/ar-AA16eUtl

I'm absolutely rooting for Ukraine and personally I want to support them, but at the same time, I want to make sure I can support other allies like Taiwan. There is an argument that a decisive victory in Ukraine supported by the US will deter China, but there absolutely are military concerns about our actual ability to assist in defending Taiwan should it be required and this Ukraine war has an affect on that. So blindly rah rah'ing into escalated battle with Ukraine has all the right 'feelz', it doesn't necessarily mean it's the right thing to do. As a side note, I still love the narrative by the left that scoffs at GOP'ers that point to Obama being president as proof America is not racist, but than points out Zelensky is jewish, so obviously Ukraine doesn't have a Nazi issue. We have the same several hundred racist POS that march in various cities and that's proof we have a white nationalist issue, meanwhile Ukraine has political parties with leaders that publicly claim all jews should be exterminated from Ukraine or other parliament members that don't deny the holocaust, but refer to it as a 'bright period'. Granted while I doubt we'll get a consensus that Ukraine has these types of issues, i'm sure we can agree that republicans are losing sight of the whole picture and focusing on some small potatoes. That said, if we can agree on that, what does that mean democrats are doing when they do it here?

Chuck, was your first response to me a bit of sarcasm that I just didn't catch?

If there are any elected politicians choosing the Russian narrative, than yes, that's shameful. Most that are against sending weapons are doing it on two fronts, mostly 1) it's not our war and 2) our own national security. I think there are legitimate reasons why you can argue they are wrong, but turning it into 'choosing the russian narrative' I think does damage against legitimate debate. The Navy fleet commander recently came out and said soon we will be making the determination whether we chose to arm ourselves or arm Ukraine. The Navy Secretary tried to walk it back a bit, but essentially just put the blame on defense contractors for not producing arms quick enough. Hopefully that gives some context to the extent we have supported this war already. In a perfect world, we could march in and overthrow Putin tomorrow, and continue that march to Beijing. No resistance and help install two future great democracies. In the real world, going all in on Ukraine might mean we sacrifice Taiwan.

Yes, I saw McCarthy struggle to win the speakership and it was the Trumpiest folks in the party that made it so difficult on him. I'm not claiming Trump is not the leader, I'm just saying I no longer feel he's entrenched as he once was. You want to change a party direction, have them lose. Trump backed candidates in federal elections lost....you can argue "bigly" when you take into account history shows mid terms favor the party not in power. https://www.politico.com/2022-election/results/trump-candidates-endorsements-11-8-22/ That's before Warnock won as well. IMO, the party leaders are done with him. McCarthy just needed all the help he could get, but privately I'm sure he's done with him. Add to that, the crazies, they are out Trumping Trump right now too. He basically has MTG as his lone strong ally in the party.

Mostly true, but I meant at least maybe recommending action to congress or at least stating action may go forward after he's out of office. To point, it's just an OLC memo as well, it has never been challenged. Nothing prevents Garland from indicting, although that doesn't mean it would hold up in SCOTUS.

Based on what I've read, it's an open and shut case for Garland. I think the only reason for pause has been the politics around it. This only makes it worse which is my only point. As for the voters, I think we saw a potential glimpse into the future of GOP without Trump as it's leader. The crazy is still there unfortunately, but Trump created a monster that is bigger than he is now.

Politically this could result in the DOJ not charging Trump. Obviously those decisions should be not related, but it would be politically tough to charge Trump and not Biden, even if the evidence points to only Trump legally at fault. That said, would that be a heavy price for dems/Biden? That might help Trump fend off other GOP'ers that are looking to win the primary. I don't think anyone is happy with the thought of Biden/Trump again, but I still like Biden's odds. I like how Dems own up to things....after the midterms of course.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-united-states-government-district-of-columbia-0574fd762159e8cb5f31c85205df3dc0 Another Atta Boy! Is Biden doing this just for the added pats on the back?

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/12/1148685480/classified-documents-biden-doj-archives-delaware Atta Boy!

When I do listen to Rogan, which isn't all that much, I tend to like the shows. Granted I'm cherry picking the shows I want to listen to so that might be a big part of it. I enjoy the long form interview style and Rogan is good at asking questions, but letting his guests lead the direction. I certainly don't agree with everything he has said, but I guess I don't understand the complete disdain for the guy, especially from more liberal folks who have similar politics as him.