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As I tried to point out, and you hopefully saw me highlight the many times I said they were wrong, but as I tried to point out, the right is the only one pointing out the horrible conditions migrants are dealing with as they come to the US as they currently feel they are free to enter. There is a legitimate argument that our POTUS stance on this policy is helping drive that number coming here up. The left doesn't seem to care (in the eyes of the right) that a large percentage of women get sexually assaulted... I could go on. So when the argument is that Abbot and DeSantis are putting them on busses and planes to cities that are advertising that they are welcoming and that's a horrible injustice, it doesn't ring true to many on the right. And again, i'm not saying that's a correct way of thinking, but simply there are some legitimate points that aid in that way of thinking. But once again, for clarity, DeSantis is a POS for dropping off migrants on an island where a majority of residents have left for the year, as well for sending migrants anywhere as a result of a political stunt.

So another words, you have no issues with a community trafficking migrants to another community, without any notice, if deep in their heart, they truly care about those folks.

Exactly how could I relay to you that I think DeSantis is in the wrong on this?

Can't find a way to simply say 'Chicago was wrong too', huh? Nope, it was justified when Chicago did it because the suburbs have a lot of Hispanics.

Chicago was sending them to suburbs, without any notice to those communities, aka the same thing Abbot and DeSantis are getting shit on over. I posted a link above. I brought up San Francisco as what they posted on their website is what most of you on the left think. That being a Sanctuary city is about standing up for immigrants and supporting them. There was nothing in that statement about the pragmatic reasons why they choose to be one. They posted it to 'show support'. My direct response to that was about Dearborn, which is pretty supportive of immigrants without claiming Sanctuary city status. Which again, maybe they practice that, IDK. If I'm looking for a better way of life and dealing with the mess in my country in Latin America, I see this and to me, it would look like an invitation to come and if that's part of the purpose of this designation, then they shouldn't be waiting to yell at Abbot and DeSantis when illegals get shipped to them, they should be reaching out and helping facilitate getting folks up to them right away.

Note i'm not saying it's entirely right, I'm just saying even if there are some pragmatic and reasonable case for it, there is some political theater as well. And DeSantis and Abbot are POS for using illegals in this political theater, all i'm saying is that while they are POS, they have also proved a point that the left is all about welcoming folks into this country, until they have to deal with the problem. Than apparently it's ok for them to human traffic them out to the suburbs and/or simply bitch about it instead of simply taking these folks in and welcoming them.

Southwest Detroit certainly has been propped up by incoming immigration.

That is not "it". Everyday communities elect Mayors, hire financial managers, and hire new Police Chief's who enact new policies in how they will serve their community for legitimate and pragmatic reasons without grandstanding and making it public to all. For many of these Sanctuary cities it's not about that at all, it's about political grandstanding. https://sfmayor.org/sanctuary-city I could be wrong, but in looking at Sanctuary cities in Michigan I don't show Dearborn. When I think of a striving immigrant community in Michigan, I think Dearborn first. Now maybe the city quietly is a Sanctuary city, I know Wayne County is, but that's pretty much for show as isn't Wayne County Sheriffs only in the jails now?

No offense, but the above pretty much sums up the Right's complaints on migration with the Left's policies. The left's line of thinking: - There is no difference between a migrant/illegal and a citizen. - Border states run by evil GOP'ers should understand this and take care of the millions (yes, 1.6 million last year, highest ever recorded, we already beat that this year). - If they can't take care of them, they should figure out a way how to. -If they ship some to cities that have openly invited illegals, they are horrible people -If those cities don't have the resource to care for the handfuls sent to them, they can ship them to other cities, in fact, that shows they care about them and are looking out for them.

I don't want to get into something where I'm defending Abbot and DeSantis, but the definition of sanctuary is "a place of refuge or safety." By designating themselves as this, are they not inviting folks to them? As such, Abbot and DeSantis are simply helping get migrates safely towards a place of refuge and safety. Biden's policies on the border has helped put a huge number of folks through an extremely dangerous path towards what they believe is a Sanctuary country and you could argue Abbot and DeSantis are simply following POTUS' guidance in at least giving them a safe path once they are here. (Note - while I think I made legitimate points above, I don't actually believe Abbot and DeSantis are good faith actors and are absolutely focusing on political points over the actual humans messed up in this political turmoil) https://wgnradio.com/john-williams/burr-ridge-mayor-gary-grasso-on-migrants-coming-to-his-suburb-we-resent-the-way-the-governors-office-has-treated-us/ Short interview with a Chicago suburb, around 3 minutes in "We didn't know they were here until they were in the motel". So here Democrats did exactly what everyone is screaming at republicans about. I will add a note of difference, later in this interview he goes on to say Lightfoot reached out to him and apologized for how it went down.

While I don't think this is the right thing to do, there is an argument to be made that if certain regions/folks don't think the border is an issue, bring the issue to them. In short, walk a mile in someone elses shoes. The Chicago Mayor was livid with Abbot for folks Texas has bussed up, but then did the same thing and shipped them out into the suburbs. The Illinois governor called up the national guard to help and is complaining about the cost.

It wasn't Oz, this happened in PA, not NJ.

Frisco burger was amazing back in the day. I have no idea if it's changed and if not, if I'd even like it anymore. I think the one on Mound is just a laundering operation, almost always empty as far as I can tell driving by.

but, but....states rights.

That's been the strategy from both sides for along time, Trump just "Trumped" it to another level. I don't know anyone personally that is a supporter of Trump AND thinks he's a good person. I know many avid supporters that don't think he's a good man on a personal level and would probably equate him to Rodney Dangerfield in Back to School in terms of his business background; crooked, but crooked because that's just the way things are done in that world of the 1%'ers that screw the rest of us. He's convinced many that he's just fed up with the system that he acknowledges he was a part of and that's enough of a redeeming quality to back him for some reason. Add the 'the other side wants to radically destroy everything you love' after he's got them hooked and now you have a cult.

You are absolutely correct, ultimately Rick Snyder made the biggest mistake of everyone by trying to appease Flint and appointing a democrat to run the city under emergency management. Joking aside, both local democrats and republicans alike were moving towards KWA before Flint was under an emergency manager and even if Flint wasn't under emergency management and the same events happen, the State, under Snyder, still would deserve blame based on the failures of the DEQ. So many things went wrong and yet, adding one additive at minimal cost could have still saved us from this mess.

I'm still amazing that the GOP convinced their base it was the democrats (that were involved) fault and the Democrats have convinced their base that it was the republicans (that were involved) fault, and 80% of the population just goes with that as fact.

She did nothing for the roads except put out a plan that her own party didn't agree with. Then spent the next few years blaming congress. Luckily for her, she got bailed out, along with every other governor, with Covid money. Did she put that towards roads, education, and mental facilities, yes, so I guess that's good. If she gets credit for stuff somewhat out of her hands, than shouldn't she take credit for this too though? https://www.bridgemi.com/talent-education/michigan-school-m-step-scores-down-sharply-pre-pandemic-testing She didn't cause Covid, but she definitely didn't push to get kids back into schools even after the science was showing just how detrimental at home learning was combined with the fact that kids were the least at risk group to Covid. Funny thing is, she's taking credit for kids back in school now too. Flint just went back to in-school learning. For people that get mad about people of color getting left behind, they should be furious with this. I'll play a political caveat that both sides do when it fits them and point to school funding. When taking inflation into account, funding is not at an all time high per pupil. She's handled Line 5 horribly and at the cost of Michigan tax payers to fight it. Even the Biden administration is not supporting her on it. She was glad it was working when she needed to call in a favor to a billionaire friend and needed gas for the private plane trip to Florida as she was telling everyone else to stay home. Oh wait, not a favor, she paid for it....after she was caught. Flint... are you kidding me? Money was allocated for that before she was governor. In fact under her leadership, Flint went away from scientific based methods in identifying and clearing lines which was not only cheaper, but was faster as well. Governors fault... idk, might be unfair to blame her for that, but I would think Flint would be a hot button issue that any governor would stay on top off. The subsidies for the automakers, I honestly don't know where I stand with that. Almost feels like a necessary evil. Corporations are taking advantage of politicians with it, but if you don't do it, you seem to lose even more. Ford just taking a bunch from Michigan and than announcing major layoffs of their white collar (so mostly Michigan) folks hurts. And I know you guys will treat this like Hunter Biden, but the nursing homes. I guess you can spin it and say she was so much smarter than Cuomo because she was too inept to even track the data, thus no need to fudge it.

I'll give her props on focusing on mental healthcare, but as for the rest, are you enjoying that kool-aid you're drinking?

Trump officials?

I'm sure they are pissed off, and they should be. Note, i'm not saying we shouldn't be supporting this war and Ukraine, i'm just saying there is a very thin line between supporting them and using them as a proxy war. I realized I linked the wrong article above. I think it referenced the one I linked and that's how that one got included, but it was about Boris Johnson's somewhat impromptu visit to Ukraine in April. Now I can't find it. It was reported back then that he warned Zelensky with many of the things you all have pointed out, for instance that you simply can't trust Putin. There is nothing wrong with that. It went further in saying that Johnson said that if they did sign a deal with Russia, he'd be risking western support going forward. If true, I don't see him saying that without US awareness and agreement. Also if true, kind of sounds like we want the proxy war and luckily, for now at least, that coincides with what Ukraine wants.

As I said, if Zelensky wanted to agree to it, and we stronghanded him, that's bullshit. The biggest argument on this site is we should support Ukraine/Zelensky if they want war, conversely we should support him if he wants peace too. In terms of 'owning' the Russians, this war has been a fabulous success that we can all cheer on from the comfort of our homes on the other side of the world. If this war stopped in April, how many tens of thousands would have been saved from the Ukrainian military and citizens? I've heard some estimates of up to 1 million Ukrainians that were forced into Russia, what are the chances they are ever coming back? Imagine how much less this global inflation crisis may have been if this stopped that long ago. We still haven't seen the real crunch on just how bad this war will be globally until we see how Europe gets through this Winter. Points on Putin and just how safe could Ukraine feel even if Russia did pull out are valid. As mentioned, this might be better for us in terms of China as well. From a US standpoint, this has been great. Just surprised it's one of the few guys still on this site that supported us going into Iraq that is the one pointing out war is still a pretty horrible thing and comes with some great losses, even if you 'win'.

Some great news from the last few days which seems to be confirmed now. I haven't been around much lately. Has anyone pointed out that it looks like Russia and Ukraine were close to an agreement that would have stopped the war in April but Boris Johnson helped nix it (i'm sure with our support). https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russian-federation/world-putin-wants-fiona-hill-angela-stent?check_logged_in=1&utm_medium=promo_email&utm_source=lo_flows&utm_campaign=registered_user_welcome&utm_term=email_1&utm_content=20220910 Take a look at the current map below and note that the deal would have given Ukraine everything it controlled prior to Feb 24. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-world-news-kharkiv-e06b2aa723e826ed4105b5f32827f577 If it comes out Zelensky was leaning towards taking the deal and didn't because of us, heads should roll.

Finishing up the concert now and McCartney is out there with Chrissie Hynde and holy crap, she's so good. Rush, being one of my favorite bands, was quite awesome as well. Overall this concert absolutely fantastic.

I saw the likes, which I guess I understand. I never thought i'd be a one issue voter, yet there are two single issues in which I wouldn't vote for Dixon now (Abortion and Election/Trump). That said, we'll be rewarded with this sentiment by 4 more years of a mediocre governor (honestly, only accomplishment that she screwed over Konstanstinov?!?!) along with an horribly incompetent (Flint) and possibly corrupt (See Dugan/Benson husband) Attorney General and a Secretary of State which only increased waiting times, even before Covid, not to mention her law breaking husband..... Sad that these are our options, even sadder that with the options, there is still only one clear cut choice.....ugh.