Tiger337

Jason Foley signs with the Giants.

I don't really give credit to either Avila or Harris for anything extraordinary. Hinch has been fantastic though and that's coming from someone who usually says mangers don't matter. Also Skubal.

Mistaking correlation for causation.

logical fallacy alert.

If you want to make it logical, then make it 8 conferences of 10 teams each and they each play every team in their conference. Notre Dame doesn't play in a conference because it makes more money that way. The rest of the teams play in super conferences because they make more money that way. There is nothing noble about playing in these huge conferences containing teams from all over the country just like there is nothing noble about Notre Dame being independent. If you are trying to get the best 12 teams in a playoff, it shouldn't be about what conference you're if in you aren't playing half the teams in your conference.

The conferences are stupid now. Some of them are so big that teams don't even play half the other teams in their conference. Giving one team an automatic bid is stupid too though. Maybe give an automatic bid to the top four conference champions plus an automatic bid to the highest ranked team that doesn't qualify on that basis. That would give Notre Dame and teams from Atlantic Ten, MWC and the new PAC whatever conference next year a chance to get into the playoffs without guaranteeing that some two-loss team from a crappy conference gets in.

I agree with this. Jansen is good to have for one year, but he's no different than Vest or Finnegan. They still lack a dominant reliever. Teams can win with reliever depth though espeially with Harris/Fetter managing the bullpen. I am more concerned with the starters. I fear Olson won't give them many innings. They really another reliable starter.

How many mulligans did they give him?

Probably not, but it's hard to say no. I probably won't get upset if they do.

and Skubal

I give Harris credit for bringing the organization to a much better place. I don't know if they are the elite cutting edge organization some are making them out to be, but they have at least caught up to some of the more analytical organiztions. I don't really give Avila much credit. I just don't think that Harris has done anything extraordinary at the MLB level yet. I will give Harris full credit when he wins with the team totally crafted by him.

I agree. They might spend on a certain player one year (like the 80s Tigers signing Evans), but it's not something we can expect on a regular basis.

I am feeling OK. It is what I expected. I liked that they retained the first three. Anderson is a complete question mark. Jansen is meh.

It seems like a lazy move to me. I hope I'm wrong.

Jansen seems like the kind of guy that might fall off the cliff any year - 37 years old with declining k rate and velocity. He might be a Joe Nathan signing or maybe they can squeeze another good year out of him.

"You can't believe everything you read on the internet" is as true as "you can never have too much pitching"

Chance of making the majors 25% Chance of having a 2 WAR season 5%

At this point, I'd be surprised if there was any serious mutual interest in any of the big free agents. I think the only way they might get one is if one of them is still out there in Februray and decides to sign a creative shorter term deal with opt outs.

King is very talented, but had a rough year due to an injury which is why is probably why his statcast card looks bad. The uncertainty is the reason the Tigers might have a chance at him. The other issue is that they would have to give up a draft pick. Edman said it would probably be a third rounder. I wouldn't care about that, but others might disagree.

I am pretty sure there are no Avila fans here. I think if we had a vote on who was the better GM, it would be at least 95% Harris. The only reason I won't say 100% is because I'm a statistician. I believe Harris would also win a vote over Dombrowski. What some people would like is a GM with Harris's brain and long-term commitment but with Dombrowki's boldness.

Definitely don't want Harris fired...but

I think it would only be a third round pick. However, I understand your point. Somebody might do that, but probably not Harris.

I think the only way the Tigers sign a good free agent is if some pitcher is not happy with his offers and signs a one year show me deal with a team with a good pitching coach and a pitchers park. Michael King?

Only when they win the World Series.

Most of you argument here sounds ridiculous to me, but I'll address the part about player development which is the only way I can see where Harris might have contributed to players already here. Which players did Harris develop and in what way? Greene and Carpenter were pretty well developed prior to Harris. Torkelson figured things out on his own working with someone outside the organization. I guess you could say Dingler, but what's your evidence? What did he do for Manning and Mize? Skubal was already getting good prior to Harris and Fetter is widely credited with his becoming elite. Your argument just seems completely biased to me.