Mr.TaterSalad

Did I say I wanted Campbell fired?

When the offense was struggling as a unit last year they didn't fire the WR coach or RB coach, they fired the OC Anthony Lynn. Let's be honest, we have struggled at every facet of defense this season outside of Hutch, Rodrigo, and Okudah, not just the secondary. Our front 7 has struggled sans Hutch and we have struggled against the run. We're bottom five in the league in sacks and QB pressures. Our LBs sans Rodrigo have looked terrible and out of place in coverage. And yes, our secondary has struggled, which can fall at Aubrey Pleasant's feet. But the remainder of our defensive struggles do not fall at Pleasant's feet, they fall at Glenn's. Does Pleasant not get any credit though for turning around the career of Jeff Okudah? I guess not. At the time Pleasant was fired the Lions had a 28.8 percent blitz rate at that point of the season. And yet, were still bottom five in sacks and pressures. How's that on Aubrey when Glenn's blitz packages weren't getting home? Let's be honest though, they couldn't fire Glenn because if they did, that would be another significant strike on Campbell having to fire both of his coordinators he hired. So even though we struggled as an entire defensive unit, someone had to pay the price and it was Pleasant and not Glenn.

I get that the Ravens controlled most of that game, but the Giants fought all the way until the end and won. I feel however that just as Campbell deserves credit for bringing this team back against the Bears to pull out a win, Daboll deserves similar credit for keeping his team in it and rallying back in the 4th quarter to win against the Ravens. The Giants were within one score of beating the Cowboys. We weren't even within two scores of the Cowboys. They looked competitive and we did not. The Giants may well prove to be frauds, as the Jets and Seahawks might too. The reason I focus on the Giants and Jets the most though is several reasons, Seahawks are different because of Pete Carroll and their GM John Schneider having been there for a long time. First, those were two teams thought to be in similar stages of the rebuild as the Lions and early season indicators are that they are ahead of us. I knew our rebuild would likely be a 3 year process given how bad this roster was when Campbell and Holmes took over. Analysts and experts had the Giants and Jets rosters in similar situations and both teams have come out and been surprise teams thus far. Second, it would be one thing if both of these teams were winning with elite-level QB play, but they aren't. Neither Daniel Jones nor Zach Wilson/Joe Flacco are out performing Goff. They are at best as good as Goff, but potentially worse than Goff and they are still winning games in spite of that. We had a top 5 offense through the first 5 weeks of the season, in a league predicated on offense to win game, and came out with one win. Third, they are being coached by two guys I wanted here in Detroit over Campbell in Daboll and Saleh. Neither Daboll nor Saleh has had to fire a coordinator yet. Campbell already had to fire one and scapegoated Aubrey Pleasant in lieu of having to fire Aaron Glenn. I didn't hate the Campbell hire and I don't hate him as a coach now. It's just frustrating when you see two teams that most analysts and experts had pegged to be competing for a top 5 pick along with us, instead in the playoff hunt midseason. It's also frustrating when you look at the offensive stats of a team, allow yourself to buy in as a result of that offensive production, and then have the rug pulled out from under you by a terrible defense and coaching mistakes. I want the Lions to win on Sunday so me and other fans can shut up about the Giants and Daboll. Then, I want to go and beat the Jets so we can all shut up about the Jets and Saleh. I want them to win because I'd like to see them make the back half of this season interesting and maybe make a shot at the wildcard playoff spot. When you lose to a coach that is having more success than your guy and someone that people (myself or otherwise) wanted in Detroit, it just makes it that much harder and more frustrating. It also brings out all the second guessing and finger pointing, see, we should have hired "Coach X" over our guy.

I'd be just fine doing that!

I think Campbell beating the Bears got him over the hump of must win games to save his job. If Campbell had lost to a pathetic Bears team I think he'd be in a lot more hot water this week and moving forward. He beat a team that he should and his guys hung tough and came back to deliver a nice win. So I think Campbell for now has himself in a safe position. As far as draft position goes, if you want CJ Stroud or Bryce Young or Will Levis, chances are high, at least at this point, that you're going to need to be in the top 5-10-15 of the draft to get one of those players. So you either end up their because that's where your record puts you or end up there because you traded a bunch of capital to move up. I want this team to keep improving and simultaneously would prefer us to move on from Goff with a new QB, on a rookie wage scale. I don't hate Goff and don't think he's been a huge problem for us, sans 1-2 games this year. I don't mind trading up to get a QB if we think one will be equal to or better than Goff: Stroud, Young, Levis, whoever. I think the rookie wage scale and small cap hit is enticing if the guy you draft ends up being as good or better than Goff. When you look at a team like the Dolphins, Tua may not be any better on paper than Jared Goff in the end. Where the advantage comes in for them is having the rookie wage scale that Tua is on so they can load up their roster and spend big to get guys like Tyreek Hill and Terron Armstead. One day soon they'll have to open the check book for Tua, but they can cross that bridge when they get there.

They might come back down to Earth and Daboll might look like a loser in the end, but right now they are winning and beating good teams to do it. The other note on Daboll is that he was given a ton of credit for being the OC that helped turn around Josh Allen. I can't say that he's turning Daniel Jones into anything special, but he's winning with what he's got.

The Giants don't even have a good QB or any of their good WR's playing this year. Brian Daboll is working with Saquon Barkley and a bunch of castoffs and beating division leaders like Tennessee and Baltimore. I also agree that momentum doesn't carry over year to year with a football team or any sports team. You are either talented enough and well coached enough to win consistently season over season and be a good team or you aren't.

I'd like to see Michigan work in Andrel Anthony more. I can't understand why a guy whose 6'2 and that athletic rarely gets targeted. Is there something I am missing here with Anthony? Is he going out and looking like a slug at practice? Why is a 6'2 wideout not a big play, jump ball guy or a goal line stud?

Historically speaking is what I was referring to. Good enough to beat the bad teams and bad enough to not beat anyone good is where we seem stuck at right now. I'm pleased to see the recent improvement and happy to see this team keep fighting for Campbell and not quitting. I think they are re-establishing what they want to be and finally developing a team identity. Over the past couple of weeks we have seen improvement from guys that weren't St. Brown and Okudah and improvement is what I've wanted to see week over week all season. Hutch, Kerby Joseph, and others on the defensive side of the ball have shown improvement. It'd be nice if this team could find some balance and consistency from week to week from here on out. Even if they don't win every week, knowing they played hard, young guys continue looking better and better, and Campbell is the reason we are winning games, not losing them.

I'd be interested in seeing what indicates they are the worst 6-2 team ever. They have two marquee wins this year of division leading teams, having beaten Baltimore and Tennessee. If the Giants went out and only padded their stats and got wins over bottom feeders I'd be inclined to believe that. But they have two big wins this season.

Did I not say it was a prove it game? Campbell won and proved he should continue on as a coach. If we had lost that game there would rightfully be more heat turned up on Campbell for losing to the Bears.

I mean great, he did was a coach is supposed to do, win games and not be talked about in a negative light in the end. He got his first road win ever as a Lions Head Coach. Were are in purgatory and simply have to ride this season out and wait until next year. We aren't good enough yet to beat anyone that's a good team and we aren't bad enough now to just stand around and cheer for the #1 overall pick. We are right back where we've frequently been as an organization and team, stuck in the middle, telling ourselves just wait until next year.

WOW!!!!!! Just like that we're tied.

Holmes didn't hire Dan Campbell though, so I think he deserves the opportunity to hire his guy and build a team.

Why does Campbell deserve to come back at this point? I'm having a real hard time seeing any improvement on this team.

Good God we're terrible on third down!

Good God we're terrible on third down! Republicans that is lol!

Damn, what a tackle by Hutch!!!

More good news for Katie Hobbs.

Another big L for the biggest loser of them all. I wonder what he's up to now as far as total wins and losses go?

More votes came in for Katie Hobbs. It seems down to Maricopa County and whether or not that will rescue Lake or make Hobbs the Governor.