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From the article as well, this to me says a lot.... it tells me that the org (whether that is Harris, Ilitch or both) took fan criticism about the broadcast to heart

I'd like to think that Benetti coming here says something about the Tigers (ie. in terms of trying to win), but I definitely believe it says something about the White Sox.

I posted their tweet in other thread, but wow....

Uhh, not sure Senile Don has his facts straight here....

Out of all the prizes on the board last night, Pennsylvania was probably the most telling.... and it was a five-alarm fire for the Republican Party. Things just aren't adding up....

He was an awful Governor and had made terrible choices since.... being the first major figure to endorse Trump is chief among them. But as far as substance goes, yeah, he's better than the rest at this point. It says a lot about the current state of the Republican Party.

I'd add Haley.... they both fall within the PJ O'Rourke category of "crazy within reason". The rest are awful

I turned it back on... it's amazing that we are just now getting to Social Security and nobody has asked about abortion yet

I'm about to turn it off, but Chris Christie's answer discussing Israel / Palestine kinda makes me nostalgic for what GOP Politics used to be.

So, apparently there's a debate going on tonight.... Why? I have no clue.

Good question. Regardless, when people say polling one year out isn't predictive, that might be an example of why

I didn't say Biden was popular... clearly he has significant issues. But the general election campaign has not started yet. And when we have evidence that comes in by way of actual votes being counted in actual states, that should mean at least as much as than n=1000 in Pennsylvania. I dont see any of that sort of introspection right now.

Again, we've already had this debate so we don't need to rehash it, but Biden's issues in polling aren't a reflection of Trump's popularity.

As far as I can tell, they didn't abstain in Ohio or Pennsylvania last night. In particular, PA saw some pretty eye-opening numbers.

By Trump actually being on the ballot. (Which he will be)

It feels like an AJ Hinch specific move, and I approve as well

Did not hear these publicized much today, but the Georgia result is much different than the NYT poll

Probably the most interesting theory I've heard to date.

Shortly after the 2022 Midterms (in which Michigan voted in favor of Proposal 3), I had a conservative acquaintance of mine remark / complain about how much the media was focused on cases of rape/incest/health of mother about how you never used to hear about those exceptions that much prior to that election. And it's just like, well, yeah, you didn't hear about them because there was a minimum standard set for the entire country by which someone in those situations could resolve those issues.... and that, for people in a bunch of states, that was no longer the case. Taking out Roe V. Wade raised the saliency of these issues, but it also has raised a lot of questions for parents who are in childbearing years, as well as OBGYNs who have to navigate these tricky issues, particularly in states with strict laws against the practice. It should come as no surprise that this issue is still an issue.

The Virginia results are interesting because it was the first real case of the party trying to explicitly run on 15-week limit, which is (at least on the GOP side) seen as a compromise position. And it kinda didn't work for a variety of reasons, not the least of which that the general electorate really doesn't trust the party on that issue. As a policy at the national level, a reason that something like that is a non-starter, IMO, is that it would provide a ceiling but no floor.... put another way, a 15 week ban that isn't coupled with some sort of minimum baseline of abortion coverage in states that currently have strict bans on the practice seems like it isn't really going to solve any problems for a lot of voters.

I've said it a few times around here, but I'm not sure that people grasp how much of Donald Trump's 2016 win came with the idea that he was actually moderate on abortion (among other issues) relative to a standard Republican. Obviously, he ended up losing in 2020 in some small part because he made a much stronger embrace with evangelicals while in office (although I suspect other factors loomed larger).... but Dobbs I think drives an even deeper wedge between this Trump-style GOP and voters in the Midwest/Rust Belt states because many of them are not drawn to the GOP for the same reasons that an evangelical voter in the South is. It really has blunted a lot of the momentum that was built upon that initial victory. It kinda ties to tie into something I said after the H2H polls between Biden and Trump that got a lot of press over the weekend were released.... the results of that polling data doesn't mean Trump is popular at all. It tells me that Biden, going forward, is going to need to work hard to consolidate his vote. Hopefully he can, whether it be through campaigning or whether it's by Trump being more salient as the campaign really starts to get underway.

This is a really good point... one party seems willing to at least attempt to course correct, the other just continually doubles down.

I also don't think that Americans really vote on foreign policy to the degree that the internet / SM thinks they do. The other reality as well regarding this particular discussion about the degree to which it's helping / hurting is that some of the concerns regarding certain groups (ie. Arab Americans in Michigan) kinda elides the fact that overall, given the importance of Jewish voters to the Democratic coalition and the general level of sympathy that Americans as a whole have to Israel (even if they don't love everything Bibi / the Israeli govt is doing at the moment), there's a significant amount of political risk associated with doing what pro-Palestinian activists are asking as well. And I simply don't think that's ever acknowledged.

In general, nationwide beyond the more covered races, it was a pretty terrible night overall for the book-ban / culture war GOP types from what I can tell.