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What are the chances the red hats will point to this as evidence that the mainstream media is complicit in killing Republicans by encouraging vaccine use, knowing full well Republicans would reject it precisely because the mainstream media encouraged it? I think we've seen that movie already, yes?

I'm not sure I know how to feel about the Republicans' chances for next year. On the one hand I feel like if three-time-loser Trump gets the nomination, he will lose, again, and by a lot, because people will truly be motivated to line up at the polling place at two in the morning to not miss their opportunity to vote against him; and also, middle of the road Rs are still not on board with him and his antics despite "Justice overreach", or whatever it's being called now. On the other hand, if someone like a Chris Christie or Tim Scott or Nikki Haley get the nomination, they may get middle of the roaders to back them enthusiastically, but they'll also lose millions of actually-apolitical MAGAs who would never show up at the polls for anyone except Trump. And that goes double for Haley and Scott, since a lot of them plus other right wingers would never vote for a woman or an Asian or a black. The only way I see out of this, at this point in time, for them is to find some candidate not named DeSantis who can combine the hard right cruelty with both a pleasant disposition and white maleness, a guy no one is thinking about today who comes swooping in seemingly out of nowhere like Obama did. No idea who that could be at the moment.

Either team will get smoked out of the first round.

Turnbull is one of those guys who, I wonder whether his state of mind affects his state of play more than average.

Exactly this. Any team going long on India is going to have to move him off second, and it can't be third, because he has a noodle for an arm. If he keeps going on his current trajectory, I think he's going to have a short career.

This is what I was thinking—if we are looking to build a organization containing hitters of the future, and we believe that Carpenter is a Hitter of the Future, then what are we trying to accomplish by trading him? What are we looking for instead of him? I mean, I get the idea of no one is untouchable and everyone is on the table—what are the chances that we can trade a Kerry Carpenter to help someone today and receive a younger, better, better-defending Kerry Carpenter in return who is simply farther away from the majors? I'm not getting what the there there is for either side in a move like this.

When people working at stores, ballparks, etc. feel free to try to grab your phone when you show them something on it they need to see, like an ID or a ticket or something, and that goes double for when they get all offended and make passive-aggressive remarks when you pull it back and say that’s OK, I can hold it for you.

It’s because the dog whistle is at too high a pitch for us to hear it.

Hypothetical fan reaction doesn't matter as to whether a team brings a guy up from the minors, which is why I didn't say it does. I mentioned it only as a point of interest, relevant to posts made in this forum in the past. I do think the Tigers have an eye on Meadows' future controllability—or rather, I would be surprised if they disregarded it entirely—so unsavory though that idea may be, it might be part of the call-up calculus. If this were the reserve cause era, maybe the organization could freely shuttle guys up and down for their first six years of pro ball without any restrictions (not sure whether that was true even then). But maybe in the era of free agency and arbitration and Super 2s, teams are more circumspect about when to call up a guy and what that means to the finances of the team in the present and near terms. We as fans can fairly rail against that very idea, because it's not really about on-field performance, but unlike the ridiculous idea of fan reaction dictating call-ups, which is easily disabused, the controllability of the player does factor into when the team believes the time is right to call a player up. Does this apply to Parker Meadows' situation? I'm an outsider, so I wouldn't know. But I do know enough to understand that these things do matter when deciding whether to call up a player, and if that is what's keeping Parker Meadows down on the farm, then that's the way it goes, and we'll just have to bide our time waiting for the front office to decide when the time is right for whatever their purposes are.

I agree with this if Meadows is an elite defender, which maybe he is, I honestly don't know either way. If he's merely better than average with the glove, or fails to make Quick Pitch with highlight plays, I think he'll still get raked for struggling at the plate. I'm not sure what the calculation is with the front office. Maybe they don't want a repeat of the Tork situation where he got called up too early. Maybe they have plate appearance or time benchmarks where they are telling him basically no matter what, you're not getting called up until September, or until 2024. I mean, yeah, he's doing all right with his 98 wRC+, but he's not putting up the kind of otherworldly numbers where he's destroying the door that's keeping him from Detroit with his bat. So it wouldn't surprise me not to see him this year. But I hope we do. I'm just as eager as anyone else to see how he does on the big club.

Because I said don't bring him up, right?

I've seen where people are now counting on Kerry Carpenter to lead us to the promised land along with TORK! and Riley. That was fast. 😁

Sure, totally fine, bring him up!

It probably should count for something. I say, bring him up. That said, you've been here long enough to see people clamoring to bring up this guy or that guy, only to want him and Hinch to walk the plank together when he flounders, so unless he comes up and rakes like Kerry Carpenter, I'm not sure it would be any different for Parker Meadows. If he did put up a 75 or 80 wRC+ to start with, I don't think people would be saying, well, at least he's better than Baddoo so I'm happy (whose wRC+ for the season is 83, BTW). I think they'll be more like, why didn't Harris sign a big free agent hitter this past winter??

Maybe. He's hitting .262/.341/.471 in 400 trips at Toledo this year but Fangraphs has his wRC+ at 98, which is right around league average. If we believe that number, it's likely he comes up and rakes at a 75 or 80 wRC+ level, which will have people screaming for Hinch's head for running him out there night after night. Of course, if we don't believe that wRC+ number and think he'll hit like an All-Star, then by all means, come on up!

Just like a Rule 5 guy!

Rule 5 for a reason? Might as well keep throwing him out there, though, until we get someone better to replace him with.

Although in the hands of the New Boss, I’m more open to doing a deal like that, until he shows he fails at it, same as the Old Boss.

Given how strikeouts have spiked over the past decade-plus, it’s quite possible.

I know it’s far more likely a mirage than a turning point, but this Detroit Tigers team played like champions today.

Aww, nawww, Jason Foley’s not gonna get a save, boo hoo hoo, bad Zack, bad

Short goes long!

I could see packaging Cisnero and one of the starters, meaning Eduardo, to unlock a numbered prospect.

Watching highlights of Kapler’s time with the Tigers, I forgot he wore #23. Damn.