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The issue for Turnbull was never really coming back, it's more about what breaks next. His injury history is so extensive, going back to college, that it's hard to envision that suddenly stopping now.

Catching up from earlier.... Cash and cash considerations are synonymous in this context. The official term being cash considerations has always struck me as a means to pilut some distance between the transaction and some potential perception of buying/selling human beings. It just softens the action from what it is actually taking place. In terms of how much cash, it's not typically a significant amount. I couldn't venture a guess on this one....but probably not a large enough amount of money for most fans to think it's worth it in these type of transactions. To your hypothetical at the point where the Tigers were not calling him up and he was expressing an interest in leaving, it became as much about public/player relations as anything else. Giving him the finger and calling him up when he clearly had other desires and likely wasn't doing much for your 2023 hopes or your longer range future, is just a poor look when you're trying to sign the next one like him to a minor league deal. You'll get a rep for being difficult in those circumstances and minor league free agents will look for more favorable conditions to try their hand. Now, to Edman's comments about churning players....it's entirely possible the Harris regime's methodology and propensity to churn may have resulted in Thompson being called up a bit earlier and the Dodgers' interest not having time to manifest on a meaningful way. Similarly, though, it's possible he's called up, doesn't hit right out of the gate, and is DFA'd because of that propensity to churn players.

No, reality as it happened with Thompson. My understanding is his camp was aware of the Dodgers' interest, he had an interest in playing there (close to home, MLB playing time for a contender, etc.), and his camp communicated that desire to the Tigers. They obliged and rather than just letting his opt out pass, got a few bucks for him.

It's not just a possibility, it's reality.

One other thing that's not really being considered here...and it is relevant to this specific player/discussion. Higher end minor league free agents are often pretty particular about where they sign....sometimes it centers on money, others it's on potential for big league opportunity, and still others it is the trajectory or position of the org. In many cases, quality minor league free agents like Thompson will sign a deal with an opt out to see if they get their shot somewhere (like Detroit) but then have the option of looking for another opportunity. It is not just possible, but reality, to factor in Thompson not wanting to be called up by the Tigers. These things happen all the time. He simply wanted his opt out to come and be able to look for another opportunity....the Tigers were receptive (as they should be) and decided to honor his request, but instead of just letting that date pass, worked with him to find a destination where they could get "something" instead of nothing. While the player has minimal, if any, leverage in these situations, it is customary for the teams to play nice in situations like this, particularly when they clearly aren't going anywhere and the player has no real bearing on their future.

The difference between 60 and 140 generally isn't that big, let alone a few spots.

This is fair. Personally, I think lists have a place if done properly. It really boils down to the construction of the list and what the author actually tries to accomplish. If the goal of the list is to educate, give an honest assessment of strengths, weaknesses, potential, etc., then that can have value and the list is really just the convenient vehicle for communicating the information about the players. If the goal of the list is to garner clicks, garner favor with people by saying nice things about players, and gain access by furthering org information, then the list has absolutely zero value. In this regard, I think the current state of Tigers prospect analysis/writing has regressed substantially the last 3-4 years. There's no education or honesty in the analysis and writing, it's just click bait, puff pieces, and overly positive evaluations because people aren't willing to be honest because they are afraid someone will get mad at them.

I'm not even convinced Jobe should be on there right now. It's not unreasonable to say the Tigers have no Top 100-worthy players in their system as of right now.

This wins the day.

Well, sure, I'm busting your balls, but there are large swaths of the scouting community that believe all three project to a relief role.

Good to see you're pumped up about three future relievers.

This might be the first time I've ever seen you pump the breaks on a Tigers prospect. I'm not sure how to react. I look forward to his first appearance of the year when he strikes out four in two scoreless innings (in spring training, no less), and you change your tune. 😁

Regardless of the prospects involved, the Tigers gave the Braves cash to support getting rid of Jimenez...That speaks volumes. Good move and I say that without any care about the actual return.

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They weren't close at all...I mean, at all. Only fickle fans that think prospect development is linear had given up on him.

You add a player like him even if there are issues with the hit tool because he goes plus on literally every other tool in the scouting report. The reward is too significant to ignore in this case, particularly when you can very easily create 40-man space to accommodate him.

Left field.

No discussion to date of bringing TigsTown back. Never say never, but I'm not sure either of us has the time in our day to day lives to make it work. It's a ton of effort. I've toyed with the idea of a new podcast the last year or so, but it'd have to be the perfect scenario.

Good catch. I hadn't been following that. Even with the loosening if restrictions, teams still have to weigh the AFL assignment of a foreign-born player against the fact that they are going to play winter ball, most likely. Does the team want them getting rest for a month or so, before winter ball, or is the AFL somehow more important than rest.

Sort of...mostly in cases where the player missed time that year. The sample of observation isn't significant enough in the AFL to outweigh the rest of the season, so it would be pretty limited circumstances where the AFL is influencing the decision making.

I wanted to circle back to this, not because of anything with Workman in particular, but the bolded part grazes the edges of something I think is important for fans to understand about the AFL. There's a lot that goes into AFL roster assignments, including a lot of restrictions, that drive the assignments and make reading into them nearly meaningless. For example, there are heavy restrictions on the assignment of foreign-born players, and even if they are assigned, their winter club (LIDOM, etc) often has the trump card to pull them from the AFL early. In addition, because of the typical level of play, you're not sending anyone at the lower levels....usually High-A is the lowest experience level you would send, and even that used to require a waiver (not sure if it still does). On top of that, your pitchers had their workload programs designed to get whatever innings/pitches/stress they wanted that year based on the regular season, not with something like the AFL in mind because it is too far out and things change. So, at the end of the day, by the time you remove Rookie-level, Low-A, and most High-A players, then remove most of the foreign-born players, and then remove the pitchers that have reached workload restrictions (and this can apply to players, particularly catchers, as well), then your prospective player pool is quite small. You're talking a portion of your Double-A and Triple-A players, and a smaller subset of High-A players. If you set out looking for six guys to send to the AFL, you're probably starting with guys that were injured this year (Wentz/Keith) and then moving onto guys that probably aren't high-end prospects.

Disclaimer...I am not a guitar guy. That said, I thought this was pretty cool. My daughter has been making noise about wanting a guitar for quite some time. Tonight we were over at a family friend's house and "Uncle" Adam is the owner of eight guitars and had been discussing his most recent purchase and his need to get rid of a couple older ones. My daughter randomly came upstairs and started talking about her desire to get a guitar....then "Uncle" Adam appears from the back room with a guitar and offers it to her as her first....it was his first that he bought when he was 15 years old. Such a cool, cool moment. My nine-year old daughter was speechless, sat down and started her best strumming, then hugged her "Uncle"....amazing.

That's what happens when the mobs descend upon you because THEY don't understand the data you presented and insist you were wrong.

Spent some time walking around that site when I was there a couple of weeks ago, then spent some time reading about the construction methodology and goals of the process....Lift Build. It's an interesting concept, particularly from an efficiency and safety perspective.