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I might be on an island, but I’d like to see Sasser get some minutes.  I wouldn’t do that at the expense of what Bickerstaff has done by having at least one of Cunningham/Ivey on the court at all times.  So, that plays into other guys’ minutes (Hardaway, Beasley).

Fontecchio seems to have regressed from last season and Harris has been bad.  Sure would be nice for them to get it together soon.

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14 hours ago, casimir said:

I might be on an island, but I’d like to see Sasser get some minutes.  I wouldn’t do that at the expense of what Bickerstaff has done by having at least one of Cunningham/Ivey on the court at all times.  So, that plays into other guys’ minutes (Hardaway, Beasley).

Fontecchio seems to have regressed from last season and Harris has been bad.  Sure would be nice for them to get it together soon.

We'll see Sasser soon enough, when Cade or Ivey get dinged up for a game here or there. But, it won't be pretty. Problem is he doesn't have a position in the NBA. He's not a PG, but he's also not a catch and shoot player because he needs to dribble into all his threes. On the other side, he can't defend due to his size and inability to switch onto anyone but the smallest guards.

I'd love to see this team acquire a actual veteran backup PG.

Fontecchio is having a rough start, but he also just came off of foot surgery in the offseason, so I'd give it some time.

Harris didn't shoot well from outside but had a relatively strong game in Philly game. He's also been putting up some really good rebound numbers over the past few. I can't imagine he's fallen off a cliff from his solid career numbers, so I'm sure he'll be fine once he settles into his role.

 

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sasser is too small and wont be in the nba much longer.  just another weaver bust on the pile.

harris is old, slow, and hasnt done much of anything outside of a decent quarter or two against philly's bench.

he was a waste of money at the time and his only real purpose will be as a salary dump for a future second round pick next year.

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3 hours ago, buddha said:

the goal this year remains the same:

lose for draft position.

knowing that, hardaway and harris make a lot of sense.

I can't agree with that (just yet). Losing for draft position has done us no good. Nobody wants to play here and the basketball gods have rewarded us by dropping us to #5. If we're in that position after game 50, sure, you play all the young players and let the chips fall where they may. But you don't set out to be a loser 5 games into the season. That infects your players and your franchise

The goal for this year should be to build an identity and make steps towards turning the ship in the right direction. It's time to try to build something, even something small. Maybe then the basketball gods will grant us some lottery luck and we won't completely ruin these young players and further destroy the reputation of this franchise.

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2 hours ago, Betrayer said:

I can't agree with that (just yet). Losing for draft position has done us no good. Nobody wants to play here and the basketball gods have rewarded us by dropping us to #5. If we're in that position after game 50, sure, you play all the young players and let the chips fall where they may. But you don't set out to be a loser 5 games into the season. That infects your players and your franchise

The goal for this year should be to build an identity and make steps towards turning the ship in the right direction. It's time to try to build something, even something small. Maybe then the basketball gods will grant us some lottery luck and we won't completely ruin these young players and further destroy the reputation of this franchise.

your optimism is adorable.  🙂

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the pistons are currently down 30 halfway through the 3rd.

their identity is "suck".

i'm being a smart ass and snarky, but they have to rebuild this entire team.  you just sat through the most incompetent rebuild in nba history.  you went from bad to the worst team in franchise history FOUR YEARS INTO THE REBUILD.  

its going to take a while to get out kf this.  cade is a keeper.  ivey might be.

but that's it.  ausar is a good defensive prospect who isnt playing.  holland is a role player glue guy.  duren is about to be an overpaid andre drummond.  thats it.

i think theyre ****ed until gores sells the team but they might get lucky and get a #1 or #2 pick out of this that could save them.  if they dont, they will be a ****ty team no matter how many "hard nose" vets they bring in to "change the culture."

they had a chance to change the culture and hired a nepobaby in jb bickerstaff.  they are ****ed.  their only hope is to get a franchise player to play with cade.  

in other words, they HAVE to lose.  that's the only chance they have unless gores sells.

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Seeing something from Duren I never saw before.  He just doesn't look interested.  I know I know, how can I tell if someone is interested or not.  I can't.  But his body language doesn't scream he wants to be there.

I can't believe that I know they lost by 30 and I'm still watching this.

That Knicks 5 out offense is really nice.  Give me a 7 game series of them playing Boston.  

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10 hours ago, buddha said:

the pistons are currently down 30 halfway through the 3rd.

their identity is "suck".

i'm being a smart ass and snarky, but they have to rebuild this entire team.  you just sat through the most incompetent rebuild in nba history.  you went from bad to the worst team in franchise history FOUR YEARS INTO THE REBUILD.  

its going to take a while to get out kf this.  cade is a keeper.  ivey might be.

but that's it.  ausar is a good defensive prospect who isnt playing.  holland is a role player glue guy.  duren is about to be an overpaid andre drummond.  thats it.

i think theyre ****ed until gores sells the team but they might get lucky and get a #1 or #2 pick out of this that could save them.  if they dont, they will be a ****ty team no matter how many "hard nose" vets they bring in to "change the culture."

they had a chance to change the culture and hired a nepobaby in jb bickerstaff.  they are ****ed.  their only hope is to get a franchise player to play with cade.  

in other words, they HAVE to lose.  that's the only chance they have unless gores sells.

If Cade and Ivey are keepers, then they don't to rebuild the entire team.  Maybe that was just the snarkiness speaking...

I do agree with your overall point about Gores.  How many franchises in the four major sports overcome bad ownership?  I'm sure it happens but it's rare.  

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It's hard to pinpoint the biggest problem when there are so many issues.  I still think defense by our guards is near the top of the list and this is backed up by the fact we get so few steals.  We were at the bottom of the league last year and are at the bottom of the league again this year.  We have no feel how to play team defense or passing lanes.  Not to mention we don't have a guy that can play good on the ball defense other than Ausar and he's barely playable on offense.  

 

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12 hours ago, buddha said:

the pistons are currently down 30 halfway through the 3rd.

their identity is "suck".

i'm being a smart ass and snarky, but they have to rebuild this entire team.  you just sat through the most incompetent rebuild in nba history.  you went from bad to the worst team in franchise history FOUR YEARS INTO THE REBUILD.  

its going to take a while to get out kf this.  cade is a keeper.  ivey might be.

but that's it.  ausar is a good defensive prospect who isnt playing.  holland is a role player glue guy.  duren is about to be an overpaid andre drummond.  thats it.

i think theyre ****ed until gores sells the team but they might get lucky and get a #1 or #2 pick out of this that could save them.  if they dont, they will be a ****ty team no matter how many "hard nose" vets they bring in to "change the culture."

they had a chance to change the culture and hired a nepobaby in jb bickerstaff.  they are ****ed.  their only hope is to get a franchise player to play with cade.  

in other words, they HAVE to lose.  that's the only chance they have unless gores sells.

They were down 32 in the 2nd, so they made a bit of a comeback effort I guess.

I completely agree with you about Gores.  I've felt this way for a while, but I get sucked into the new season optimism only to be smashed on the head like its some kind of whack a mole game.

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5 hours ago, Hart said:

If Cade and Ivey are keepers, then they don't to rebuild the entire team.  Maybe that was just the snarkiness speaking...

I do agree with your overall point about Gores.  How many franchises in the four major sports overcome bad ownership?  I'm sure it happens but it's rare.  

cade, ivey, and ausar are keepers for the right price.  but ivey is going to want to get paid.  cade already got paid.  how many max guys can you have?

i think duren will leave or get overpaid.  i'd trade him.

ausar isnt going to get paid because he cant score.  yeah yeah, backdoor cuts.  yeah yeah basketball sense.  i get that, but he cannot shoot and will never shoot.  his shot is broke and he has no handle.  he is defense only.  rodman without the makeup and dresses.  that can be valuable, but its valuable as a bit part, not as someone who gets paid.  so you can keep ausar.

holland is too soon to tell.  if he can develop a shot he'll be a potential 3 and d guy.  if not, he's a hustle guy and a glue guy.  you need those guys but you dont need to break the bank for them.

stewart is a fine backup who is probably a touch overpaid but is tradeable to a team who wants toughness and rebounding.  my worry is that this admin will overvalue him like the last one.  and they still owe a first round pick for him which will always be ridiculous.

everyone else on the team is a bench warmer, over the hill filler, or just bad.

at least wiseman and bagley arent here anymore.

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12 hours ago, Deleterious said:

Seeing something from Duren I never saw before.  He just doesn't look interested.  I know I know, how can I tell if someone is interested or not.  I can't.  But his body language doesn't scream he wants to be there.

I can't believe that I know they lost by 30 and I'm still watching this.

That Knicks 5 out offense is really nice.  Give me a 7 game series of them playing Boston.  

There's a lot of talk about Duren in Piston's media right now. The Center position is a real problem, as crazy as that sounds with how much Weaver tried to invest in it.

Obviously, it doesn't help that the perimeter defense is terrible so we're in rotation as soon as the possession starts. Knicks looked like grown men being chased around by toddlers in the playground the way they had us scrambling and bumbling around like idiots. But, as you said, that doesn't excuse Duren's seeming lack of interest and inability to be in the right spot even when he is engaged.

People are asking if Stew should start. I get it, the defense is light years better with him on the court. Unfortunately his offense is non-existent and he's undersized.

The answer is that there is no answer on this roster - both guys would be great backups and we don't have a starting Center on this roster despite Weaver's love for Centers.

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On 11/1/2024 at 11:42 AM, Betrayer said:

We'll see Sasser soon enough, when Cade or Ivey get dinged up for a game here or there. But, it won't be pretty. Problem is he doesn't have a position in the NBA. He's not a PG, but he's also not a catch and shoot player because he needs to dribble into all his threes. On the other side, he can't defend due to his size and inability to switch onto anyone but the smallest guards.

I'd love to see this team acquire a actual veteran backup PG.

Fontecchio is having a rough start, but he also just came off of foot surgery in the offseason, so I'd give it some time.

Harris didn't shoot well from outside but had a relatively strong game in Philly game. He's also been putting up some really good rebound numbers over the past few. I can't imagine he's fallen off a cliff from his solid career numbers, so I'm sure he'll be fine once he settles into his role.

 

Fair point about Fontecchio.

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