Trumps Presidency 2025

[guy incognito]

25 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

You can also go on the internet and buy a police uniform and police car, no idea what your point is.  

You’re not making the case you seem to think you’re making.

[GalagaGuy]

21 minutes ago, oblong said:

I'll let this ignorance speak for itself then

Ah yes, straight to the insults when you can't bring facts to the debate.  

How very mature of you.  

 

[romad1]

25 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

This. Setting aside the moral questions, of which there are many, 4+ federal officers beating the **** out of an unarmed delivery driver is absolutely a tremendous waste of resources.

If I was trying to defend the actions, I'd probably focus on their attire too, because the actual video and the outrage it generated shouldn't be surprising in the least.

If the point is to prove to people that 'we the people' no longer have any control over the Federal government then they achieved their desired result.   But, that is not an outcome anybody should be happy with unless they are seeking fascism as the operating model of our government.  

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, GalagaGuy said:

The guy is in the country illegally, was ordered deported last year, has missed several court dates and has active warrants.    Just to clarify, you're upset by the comments from the officer and not the fact that this dude was arrested, correct? 

I am upset about the comments from the officer more than anything.  Our justice system can't work with that kind of bias. 

I also don't like how ICE has conducted themselves in general, but this video is no worse than others I have seen.  

Edited Monday at 03:32 PM by Tiger337

[chasfh]

9 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

So, straight to the Trump playbook? 

How very ironic that you use the same tactics as the other side.  

Yes, you went straight to the Trump playbook: no links. No evidence of any kind. Just allegations.

So are you copping to that? Or will you be providing a link after all to back up your claim?

[oblong]

10 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Ah yes, straight to the insults when you can't bring facts to the debate.  

How very mature of you.  

 

It's not an insult.  You said you didnt know, therefore admitting to your ignorance.

 

[GalagaGuy]

9 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Yes, you went straight to the Trump playbook: no links. No evidence of any kind. Just allegations.

So are you copping to that? Or will you be providing a link after all to back up your claim?

It takes a few minutes of your time to look up the relevant details.  Don't ignore the facts and then try to use that against me.  

If you wanted to know the details, you'd know them.  Once you finally take the time to learn them, you'll just pivot to something else.   

[mtutiger]

14 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I also don't like how ICE has conducted themselves in general, but this video is no worse than others I have seen.  

It's worth remembering that ICE has detained actual American citizens during the course of conducting themselves this way.

Every single time it happens is a failure and is unacceptable. And should be treated as such

[mtutiger]

5 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

It takes a few minutes of your time to look up the relevant details. 

It would only take a few minutes of your time to back up your claim, yet you aren't doing it.... interesting.

[chasfh]

7 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

It takes a few minutes of your time to look up the relevant details.  Don't ignore the facts and then try to use that against me.  

If you wanted to know the details, you'd know them.  Once you finally take the time to learn them, you'll just pivot to something else.   

As the person making the claim, you are responsible for providing evidence for it. Will you be providing evidence for your claim?

[GalagaGuy]

12 minutes ago, oblong said:

It's not an insult.  You said you didnt know, therefore admitting to your ignorance.

 

I didnt say anything about not knowing something.  As a matter of fact, I agreed with you that police uniforms and gear could be purchased online.  

Funny thing, I just had jury duty a few weeks ago in Detroit.  Inside the CJC, I saw more than one officer walking around in jeans and a t-shirt.  Only thing that identified them as law enforcement was the badge clipped to their jeans. 

This whole left wing talking point about not knowing if they're actually police is just flat out stupid.  

 

 

 

 

[GalagaGuy]

2 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

It would only take a few minutes of your time to back up your claim, yet you aren't doing it.... interesting.

Two reasons.  First off, I'm standing here in the park feeding squirrels so looking up links on my phone is a bit of a pain.  Second reason, it's not my job to do your homework.  

 

[oblong]

it's not the job of other people to prove your point.  Until you prove it then it's regarded as gibberish.

[GalagaGuy]

1 minute ago, oblong said:

it's not the job of other people to prove your point.  Until you prove it then it's regarded as gibberish.

Ok fine, here's my proof.  

[mtutiger]

7 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Second reason, it's not my job to do your homework.  

 

Backing up your own argument seems like *your* homework... at least that's how homework worked at every level of school I attended lol

[oblong]

2 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Backing up your own argument seems like *your* homework... at least that's how homework worked at every level of school I attended lol

This is what happens when we give out participation trophies

[romad1]

I'm bored by this.  Fellas...use data to support your arguments.  If the federal agents were pursuing a legit warrant that might have been something supplied by whatever source it was cited from.  An "I heard this on Fox and Friends" this morning would have provided the necessary context.   

[ewsieg]

Galaga, you're not entirely wrong that many of the reports have been blown out of proportion, but if the base of your party makes fun of 'face diapers', but celebrate and defend when their law enforcement is wearing masks, maybe you should reassess your position.   

[Motown Bombers]

 

[ewsieg]

19 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Backing up your own argument seems like *your* homework... at least that's how homework worked at every level of school I attended lol

I have no issue not citing sources, especially if you think it's common knowledge.  But getting mad because someone requests a source and telling them to find it?!?!  As Biden would say "C'mon man".

[GalagaGuy]

22 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

I have no issue not citing sources, especially if you think it's common knowledge.  But getting mad because someone requests a source and telling them to find it?!?!  As Biden would say "C'mon man".

You have the same internet in front of you that I do, no?  I'm not going to sit here posting links that say exactly what I've already posted just to have you say it's not good enough.  I'm also not going to do an even deeper dive into it, possibly finding court documents, just to have you then pivot to something else.  

The simple fact here is that this was obviously a targeted operation to take a known person into custody.  If you want to keep on imagining this as going around snatching up the first brown person they see, I can't force you to accept the facts. 

[Tiger337]

29 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Galaga, you're not entirely wrong that many of the reports have been blown out of proportion, but if the base of your party makes fun of 'face diapers', but celebrate and defend when their law enforcement is wearing masks, maybe you should reassess your position.   

When you are beating people up, masks are OK as long as they look macho.  If you are trying to protect people, masks are unmanly.  

[GalagaGuy]

34 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Galaga, you're not entirely wrong that many of the reports have been blown out of proportion, but if the base of your party makes fun of 'face diapers', but celebrate and defend when their law enforcement is wearing masks, maybe you should reassess your position.   

I voted for Harris, what in the hell are you talking about?  See, this is the problem right here, the right is in power and doing something so you instinctively jump in to take the exact opposite side.  And you probably sit there wondering how a convicted felon managed to get elected.  Am I right?

[Tiger337]

6 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

You have the same internet in front of you that I do, no?  I'm not going to sit here posting links that say exactly what I've already posted just to have you say it's not good enough.  I'm also not going to do an even deeper dive into it, possibly finding court documents, just to have you then pivot to something else.  

The simple fact here is that this was obviously a targeted operation to take a known person into custody.  If you want to keep on imagining this as going around snatching up the first brown person they see, I can't force you to accept the facts. 

It's not obvious to me because there have been numerous cases where they have detained or deported people who should not have been detained or deported.  I would hope that the majority of violent arrests involved dangerous criminals, but mistakes have been made. The fact that that one of the officers was politicizing the arrest as it was happening makes me think he was not professional enough for the job.  

[mtutiger]

7 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

You have the same internet in front of you that I do, no?  I'm not going to sit here posting links that say exactly what I've already posted just to have you say it's not good enough. 

I guess I'm unclear why it's anybody else's job other than *yours* to back up *your* argument. It's not *my* job to prove *you* right. Anybody who has ever sat through any high school level course should be able to understand this.

The fact that you seem more than willing to make claims yet resist even the mildest suggestion of providing some sort of backup to said claims seems worthy of just dismissing said claims out of hand.

9 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

The simple fact here is that this was obviously a targeted operation to take a known person into custody.

4+ federal officers descending on and beating the ever loving **** out of an unarmed food delivery driver looks like a lot of things... "targeted" isn't one of them.