Trumps Presidency 2025

[Hongbit]

58 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

This gets a little more complex that either side admits to. Just because you cross the border, you do not immediately gain the right to anything like full process prior to removal. People caught in close proximity to the border either in time or space are now immediately sent back ("expedited removal") without a hearing and the courts have let that stand. And you  can argue that in such a case the person is not being deprived of anything and so has no claim. 

Correct but not really relevant to this argument about ICE.  Those are people that Border Patrol are targeting and not ICE.

[romad1]

Any guesses what insane stuff gets dropped this evening by the WH press office to get it out of the news cycle before the regular media gets to reporting the usual stupid holiday travel story?

[GalagaGuy]

2 hours ago, Hongbit said:

Question: Do you believe that a person in this country without authorization has a right to due process before being deported?     

The people being arrested have orders of deportation.  That means they've already received their due process.  I hope you're not one of these people claiming that ICE is just going around snatching up anyone brown and putting them on planes out of the country. 

[Hongbit]

17 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

The people being arrested have orders of deportation.  That means they've already received their due process.  

I don’t believe this is the case at all.    This may be how it was supposed to be when the king rolled out his plan to mobilize ICE into Democratic cities as a political weapon.    It doesn’t operate that way in the field.  

Yes.  I absolutely believe that certain groups of this hastily assembled, poorly trained gestapo arbitrarily pick up random brown people.   

[gehringer_2]

50 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Correct but not really relevant to this argument about ICE.  Those are people that Border Patrol are targeting and not ICE.

I take your point, but OTOH question of an immigrant's rights are not a matter of who is apprehending them per se either. As it happens, the Border Patrol and ICE should be apprehending different people but that is not what drives the rights the courts have granted those targeted by either group.

[GalagaGuy]

12 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

I don’t believe this is the case at all.    This may be how it was supposed to be when the king rolled out his plan to mobilize ICE into Democratic cities as a political weapon.    It doesn’t operate that way in the field.  

Yes.  I absolutely believe that certain groups of this hastily assembled, poorly trained gestapo arbitrarily pick up random brown people.   

I'm not going to sit here and claim to be an expert on the immigration system but it is absurd to claim that they are just randomly targeting people.   While I'm sure you can find a case here and there of them snatching up someone who just happened to be at the scene of an operation, they are generally targeting people in the system who are deportable for one reason or another.  

 

 

[Tigeraholic1]

Updated, both dead.

 

[Hongbit]

15 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

I'm not going to sit here and claim to be an expert on the immigration system but it is absurd to claim that they are just randomly targeting people.   While I'm sure you can find a case here and there of them snatching up someone who just happened to be at the scene of an operation, they are generally targeting people in the system who are deportable for one reason or another.  

 

 

Is it absurd to the think the system doesn’t actually work in the field as it was drawn up in DC?  

ICE agents don’t need to identify themselves and have full immunity for their actions on the job. There is essentially no oversight to what they do on the streets.  Even scarier, unlike police or military, there is very little training before being put into the field.   I don’t think it absurd to believe there are many rouge groups out there playing cop, jury, and judge everyday.   You may not agree but I’d find it more than a bit naive to even discount it as a possibility.  

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[GalagaGuy]

2 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Is it absurd to the think the system doesn’t actually work in the field as it was drawn up in DC?  

ICE agents don’t need to identify themselves and have full immunity for their actions on the job. There is essentially no oversight to what they do on the streets.  Even scarier, unlike police or military, there is very little training before being put into the field.   I don’t think it absurd to believe there are many rouge groups out there playing cop, jury, and judge everyday.   You may not agree but I’d find it more than a bit naive to even discount it as a possibility.  

Actually, ICE agents do identify themselves, but only to the person being arrested.  They do not show warrants or identify themselves to others as it would be a violation of privacy rules they're required to abide by.   If you're actually interested in how they operate, there is all sorts of information about the processes they follow on ICE.gov.  

The simple fact is that there is somewhere around 14 million people in the USA without authorization.  Law enforcement has plenty to keep them busy just going after the people in the system who are eligible for deportation. 

[guy incognito]

*sigh*

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[Sports_Freak]

This is very well said;

 

[CMRivdogs]

30 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

I'm not going to sit here and claim to be an expert on the immigration system but it is absurd to claim that they are just randomly targeting people.   While I'm sure you can find a case here and there of them snatching up someone who just happened to be at the scene of an operation, they are generally targeting people in the system who are deportable for one reason or another.  

 

 

https://www.cato.org/blog/5-ice-detainees-have-violent-convictions-73-no-convictions

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Of people booked into ICE custody this fiscal year (since October 1, 2025):

• Nearly three in four (73 percent) had no criminal conviction.
• Nearly half had no criminal conviction nor even any pending criminal charges.
• Only 8 percent had a violent or property criminal conviction.
• Only 5 percent had a violent criminal conviction.
• A majority of criminal convicts had vice, immigration, or traffic convictions.

 

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The earliest data I obtained that was reported in this way comes from April 26, 2025. Compared with October 2024 to April 2025—before the White House shifted focus completely away from criminals—80 percent of the increase in daily ICE book-ins have come from individuals without criminal convictions.

 

Since October 1, only 8 percent of detained persons had either a violent or property crime. As many people were detained with an immigration conviction (e.g., illegal entry/reentry) as violent convicts.

In its posts on this subject, DHS and ICE often include people with pending criminal charges as “criminal arrests,” even though these people have never been found guilty, and the charges are often minor and regularly dismissed. ICE is depriving these people of due process by arresting them prior to a conviction. Nonetheless, ICE data show that nearly half (47 percent) of all ICE detainees this fiscal year

 

[Sports_Freak]

6 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Actually, ICE agents do identify themselves, but only to the person being arrested.  They do not show warrants or identify themselves to others as it would be a violation of privacy rules they're required to abide by.   If you're actually interested in how they operate, there is all sorts of information about the processes they follow on ICE.gov.  

The simple fact is that there is somewhere around 14 million people in the USA without authorization.  Law enforcement has plenty to keep them busy just going after the people in the system who are eligible for deportation. 

No, they're supposed to identify themselves. But they very often don't. They go around masked and kidnapping people, at immigration court when folks show up for hearings or at Home Depot, kidnapping people looking for honest work. Trump said they were going to go after violent criminals but these coward Proud Boy/ICE agents are avoiding the hardened criminals. Going after grandmas is so much easier. 

[GalagaGuy]

9 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

No, they're supposed to identify themselves. But they very often don't. They go around masked and kidnapping people, at immigration court when folks show up for hearings or at Home Depot, kidnapping people looking for honest work. Trump said they were going to go after violent criminals but these coward Proud Boy/ICE agents are avoiding the hardened criminals. Going after grandmas is so much easier. 

From the tone of your comments, it's obvious you're just about the outrage and not actually interested in the facts.   

[chasfh]

48 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

I'm not going to sit here and claim to be an expert on the immigration system but it is absurd to claim that they are just randomly targeting people. 

If you truly believe that ICE and Border Patrol have warrants on every person they've rounded up because America or whatever, then you aren't paying attention.

[chasfh]

27 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

This is very well said;

 

Literally indefensible.

[GalagaGuy]

2 minutes ago, chasfh said:

If you truly believe that ICE and Border Patrol have warrants on every person they've rounded up because America or whatever, then you aren't paying attention.

If you truly believe that ICE is just randomly driving around and snatching up brown people, then you aren't living in reality.  I get it, now go ahead and show me the one time that they grabbed someone who wasn't their main target as if it totally invalidates everything they're doing. 

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[CMRivdogs]

I think the problem is too many newly hired agents have not been properly trained and/or have gone rogue. Too little oversight. This makes the entire organization look bad.

[Hongbit]

4 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

If you truly believe that ICE is just randomly driving around and snatching up brown people, then you aren't living in reality.  I get it, now go ahead and show me the one time that they grabbed someone who wasn't their main target as if it totally invalidates everything they're doing. 

It’s obvious that you’re just about the outrage and not actually interested in the facts. 

[GalagaGuy]

9 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

It’s obvious that you’re just about the outrage and not actually interested in the facts. 

And we've reached the stupid part of things so I'm out.  

[Tigeraholic1]

1 minute ago, GalagaGuy said:

And we've reached the stupid part of things so I'm out.  

He always does.

[CMRivdogs]

28 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

If you truly believe that ICE is just randomly driving around and snatching up brown people, then you aren't living in reality.  I get it, now go ahead and show me the one time that they grabbed someone who wasn't their main target as if it totally invalidates everything they're doing. 

 

Jensy Machado — Northern Virginia (March 2025)

Machado, a naturalized U.S. citizen, says ICE stopped and handcuffed him while he was driving to work in Manassas during a broader enforcement operation.

Although he offered to show identification, agents — reportedly with guns drawn — ordered him out of the car and detained him until they verified his ID. He was released once they did.

Machado said he had voted for the current president — but now questions that support: “they’re just following Hispanic‑looking people,” he told reporters.

 

16‑year‑old court intern — Rhode Island (November 20, 2025)

A high‑school intern working at a state Superior Court in Providence was mistakenly detained by ICE agents outside the courthouse. Video later showed him being handcuffed and moved between unmarked vehicles.

The person ICE was allegedly searching for was a “child predator,” according to DHS. But after intervention by the court and verification of identity, the teen was released.

State judiciary leaders condemned the arrest — calling it “egregious” and highlighting how such mistakes undermine trust and the public’s sense of safety.

 

 

[Sports_Freak]

29 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

If you truly believe that ICE is just randomly driving around and snatching up brown people, then you aren't living in reality.  I get it, now go ahead and show me the one time that they grabbed someone who wasn't their main target as if it totally invalidates everything they're doing. 

No warrants and no due process but go ahead and keep defending these untrained Proud Boys. Their actions are about as anti-American as it gets. But again, go ahead and defend their Nazi-like actions.

[pfife]

25 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

He always does.

Says the guy supporting the GOP pedo protection program 

[pfife]

ICE sucks.   They should go f themselves