Trumps Presidency 2025

[CMRivdogs]

26 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Without checking i’m thinking Moroun family were donors for Trump.

Without checking I'm sure they were. They come from a long line of bootleggers. That's how they could afford to build the old bridge (along with tolls)

Edited Monday at 12:35 AM by CMRivdogs

[Tigeraholic1]

 

[mtutiger]

2 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

All this talk and desire for oil, but maybe this is where real money is. And the Orange Mussolini holds a grudge because he's still in the 1950s

 

 

The reality is that the push by the administration to open up further drilling and to disincentivize the use of green energy doesn't change the fundamental economics. And it will not stop the long term growth of green sources of energy domestically relative to fossil fuels.

The only thing additional I would say is that, in a time when this administration is pushing the development of AI (and all the energy it will require), it's insane to disincentivize *any* source of energy development. But these are not serious people... And we will all have to pay the price for it in our power bills

Edited Monday at 01:08 AM by mtutiger

[guy incognito]

[gehringer_2]

17 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

The reality is that the push by the administration to open up further drilling and to disincentivize the use of green energy doesn't change the fundamental economics. And it will not stop the long term growth of green sources of energy domestically relative to fossile fuels.

The only thing additional I would say is that, in a time when this administration is pushing the development of AI (and all the energy it will require), it's insane to disincentivize *any* source of energy development. But these are not serious people... And we will all have to pay the price for it in our power bills

Yup. You can deny reality for a long time if you work at it - and MAGA works harder at it than anything I've seen in my lifetime, but in the end reality always wins. And the longer you have been in denial, the more brutal the defeat ultimately is.

Edited Monday at 01:11 AM by gehringer_2

[guy incognito]

36 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Without checking I'm sure they were. They come from a long line of bootleggers. That's how they could afford to build the old bridge (along with tolls)

 

[CMRivdogs]

5 minutes ago, guy incognito said:

 

My son was a supervisor on the early part of the project. The firm he worked for at the time was in charge of the cleanup in the former Delray neighborhood. A lot of homes in that area were just bulldozed over, when the went to dig a lot of time they'd come up with a shovelfull of mattress.

[mtutiger]

This is where we are at: The kids who had their parents murdered in a politically motivated attack having to ask a President of the United States to take down disinformation and conspiracy theories that he pushed on his social media website.

Shameful stuff.

[gehringer_2]

14 hours ago, mtutiger said:

So we killed 40 innocent Venezuelans and burned up taxpayer dollars for.... what exactly? 

 

For what exactly? For this: To capture the news cycle for a couple of days. That's it, and all of it. Nothing Trump does is focused on *accomplishment*, rather strictly on the appearance of accomplishment. This is reality TV government: Invent a story line, generate a lot of noise and smoke, charge up emotions, run in a lot of circles, break a bunch of china, and at the end of the day....nothing real has happened. Stay tuned for the next episode of 'Real Presidents of DC!"

As noted, the Vz government is still there, no fundamental change but suddenly there will be no crisis between the US and Vz, because there never was in the first place - it was just more noise being generated by Trump on his way to his next media presentation episode. You grabbed a tin pot and put him in jail at the cost of several billion in ordinance - oh and BTW, there was some 'collateral damage' on the gound. Well, no-one we knew and BFD about Maduro.

Just like nothing has changed in Ukraine and nothing has changed for the Palestinians or Israelis after he heroically 'solved' all their problems. Argue with China, settle with China, argue with China, US industrial production is still being displaced and farmers are only worse off. 6 months of headlines from DOGE, hire back most of the workers and the government is hemorrhaging more money than ever. Trump runs around, makes a lot of noise, makes a lot of pronouncements about actions, then, Cut! 

He's on to the next sound stage and nothing has actually been accomplished. The actors who were on the set before he got there are left to sort it out for themselves just like they were before he got there You only know he's been there by the bill he leaves for his expenses.

Edited Monday at 03:35 AM by gehringer_2

[Tigeraholic1]

 

[oblong]

You probably celebrate it as a positive when a domestic abuse survivor tries to apologize. 

[guy incognito]

17 minutes ago, oblong said:

You probably celebrate it as a positive when a domestic abuse survivor tries to apologize. 

Or when a hostage reads a prepared statement over the air.

[mtutiger]

8 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

 

[mtutiger]

 

[oblong]

3 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

 

that's how cults operate.  

[antrat]

Glad we got rid of those war mongering presidents.

[chasfh]

13 hours ago, mtutiger said:

The reality is that the push by the administration to open up further drilling and to disincentivize the use of green energy doesn't change the fundamental economics. And it will not stop the long term growth of green sources of energy domestically relative to fossil fuels.

The only thing additional I would say is that, in a time when this administration is pushing the development of AI (and all the energy it will require), it's insane to disincentivize *any* source of energy development. But these are not serious people... And we will all have to pay the price for it in our power bills

Green energy companies and executives don't shower Trump with money and praise. Oil companies and executives do.

[chasfh]

11 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

For what exactly? For this: To capture the news cycle for a couple of days. That's it, and all of it.

I think it's more than just that this time. I think it is about the oil after all.

[gehringer_2]

46 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I think it's more than just that this time. I think it is about the oil after all.

I think I probably posted upthread that there are certainly particular refiners that have some investment in heavy crude capacity on the Gulf Coast that they'd rather see making a better return, and certainly if they have any brains they've tried to get Trump's ear, but that doesn't rise to any kind of significant US economic or security interest. So 'oil' as a real US national interest - no. But 'oil' considered as just another Trump grift  - sure. And after all, to circle back 360 to the 'reality TV president' idea, reality TV is really just one big grift by the entertainment industry. So there you are. 📺💣🎇

Edited Monday at 03:30 PM by gehringer_2

[gehringer_2]

For more context. World wide EV production is somewhere near 20M vehicles/yr. Even if we assume a conservative 5K miles/yr driven, that works out very roughly to 334,000 bbl/day of gasoline saved, which is about 500K bbls/day of oil saved - which is the output of 2 fairly large refineries - subtracted each year going forward. The world is awash in oil and the biggest market for oil is going in the other direction. According to Google, the real price of oil is sitting pretty close to the overall average number since 1946 ($58.07)

Edited Monday at 03:49 PM by gehringer_2

[Tigeraholic1]

 

 

[mtutiger]

20 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

For more context. World wide EV production is somewhere near 20M vehicles/yr. Even if we assume a conservative 5K miles/yr driven, that works out very roughly to 334,000 bbl/day of gasoline saved, which is about 500K bbls/day of oil saved - which is the output of 2 fairly large refineries - subtracted each year going forward. The world is awash in oil and the biggest market for oil is going in the other direction. According to Google, the real price of oil is sitting pretty close to the overall average number since 1946 ($58.07)

The retort that one suspects would come from the MAGA types is that changes in the Trump tax bill to EV credits and other incentives toward green energy will take time to develop and be seen in the marketplace, which means that over time more people may again rely on fossil fuel production.

The problem with that logic is that the rest of the world isn't going to react in the same way, the trends toward EV usage will inevitably continue in the EU/China/etc. Which will continue to impact the global demand for oil (by reducing it). 

The administration and MAGA at-large can whine and cry and vice signal about green energy all they want... it isn't going to stop it from becoming more and more of a reality as time goes on. We can either act like we are in the 21st Century and try to continue to create an economy for it domestically, or we can further cede the playing field to others (ie. China) to our economic detriment. The administration is choosing the latter to all of our detriment.

One additional point regarding Venezuelan oil - how does this administration plan to exploit Venezuelan oil reserves without American boots on the ground? 

Edited 19 hours ago by mtutiger

[mtutiger]

Yay, more taxpayer dollars to cover the tariffs... lol

[chasfh]

46 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Yay, more taxpayer dollars to cover the tariffs... lol

Maybe this would be more effective if it were page one in Appleton and La Crosse and Eau Claire and Green Bay.

[oblong]

It all comes down to too many americans that think the economy is simply gas prices and mortgate rates.