Trumps Presidency 2025

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, GalagaGuy said:

The fact that they had no criminal convictions has nothing to do with being in the country illegally.  You are intentionally trying to conflate things.  

It's a poor use of resources to be specifically targeting people with no criminal convictions.  It potentially takes resources away friom other areas which are more of a threat to our safety.  

[oblong]

1 hour ago, GalagaGuy said:

Oh so youre one of those people. Tell me, do you pull the "you work for me" when you get pulled over?

As I already pointed out, it is common for some law enforcement to wear civilian clothing so spare me the fake ass outrage because immigration officers are doing it.  Never heard anyone complain about undercover officers arresting gang members in Detroit.   

You have no ****ing idea what you are talking about. Just quit now.   I’ve been on undercover operations and this is not how they are carried out.  

[CMRivdogs]

1 hour ago, GalagaGuy said:

*POLICE written across their chest and back

*Unidentified 

Choose one 🤔

So I can put on a uniform, and chase down any speeder I want to on I275?

[GalagaGuy]

1 minute ago, chasfh said:

Wearing a sash that says simply POLICE is not identification.

If they are wearing masks and nothing that reveals their names while rounding up a million people in year, and they refuse to identify themselves when asked by citizens, then the masked men are unidentified and thus unidentifiable, which allows them to act in a way which absolves them of accountability, which, not for nothing, is how police states operate.

Wearing blue pants and a light blue shirt and a silly hat is somehow identification though, right?   You also need to stop with this notion that "name and badge number" is some kind of national standard, it's not.  It's also nonsense to say that these officers are just set free every morning to go out rounding up random people with no accountability.  

[GalagaGuy]

3 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

So I can put on a uniform, and chase down any speeder I want to on I275?

You can't be asking this seriously.  Why would you think you can do that?  

[pfife]

Guy making analingus poasts says other posters arent serious.

[GalagaGuy]

2 minutes ago, pfife said:

Guy making analingus poasts says other posters arent serious.

Guy who can't spell in an age where spell check exists says other posters are something something. 

[CMRivdogs]

6 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

You can't be asking this seriously.  Why would you think you can do that?  

Same reason you defend so called ICE agents who cover faces, lack real uniforms and act like assholes

 

We are done here

[GalagaGuy]

Just now, CMRivdogs said:

Same reason you defend so called ICE agents who cover faces, lack real uniforms and act like assholes

 

We are done here

We've already covered this, many departments don't wear "real uniforms".   No idea why you still refuse to accept that basic fact.  I get it though, for some reason DHS officers should be wearing a bright orange uniform or something. 

 

Now we're done here. 

[mtutiger]

Somebody needs to take his license plate away lol

[ewsieg]

56 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

The fact that they had no criminal convictions has nothing to do with being in the country illegally.  You are intentionally trying to conflate things.  

I'm on your side that they are illegal immigrants.  There is a full spectrum on this board on how to deal with that, ranging from invite more to come to deport them without even bothering to let anyone know we scooped them off of the street.  Speaking on behalf of others, without their consent, my guess is most are along the lines that they are already here, mostly good people trying to make a living, and unless they do something additional to warrant deportation, give them a path to citizenship. 

Where the push back from most of the people on this board, including myself, is how far the pendulum swung from an administration that seemingly invited folks to come in (I know some will reject that statement) to the current administration that is fine diverting money away from tracking down tax cheats, white collar criminals, and even many of your basic governmental services in order to find people that are trying to become citizens and abiding by the rest of our laws.  

Additionally, when we see legitimate stories about actual citizens or others here legally that are detained (even deported) for days, even weeks at a time, it doesn't make me feel confident that this administration cares about making mistakes as long as the deportation numbers look 'bigly'.  If you lean towards the conservative side and hated voting for Kamala (just like me), I would expect you to hate the idea of the government detaining/deporting citizens because of their incompetence. 

[GalagaGuy]

2 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

I'm on your side that they are illegal immigrants.  There is a full spectrum on this board on how to deal with that, ranging from invite more to come to deport them without even bothering to let anyone know we scooped them off of the street.  Speaking on behalf of others, without their consent, my guess is most are along the lines that they are already here, mostly good people trying to make a living, and unless they do something additional to warrant deportation, give them a path to citizenship. 

Where the push back from most of the people on this board, including myself, is how far the pendulum swung from an administration that seemingly invited folks to come in (I know some will reject that statement) to the current administration that is fine diverting money away from tracking down tax cheats, white collar criminals, and even many of your basic governmental services in order to find people that are trying to become citizens and abiding by the rest of our laws.  

Additionally, when we see legitimate stories about actual citizens or others here legally that are detained (even deported) for days, even weeks at a time, it doesn't make me feel confident that this administration cares about making mistakes as long as the deportation numbers look 'bigly'.  If you lean towards the conservative side and hated voting for Kamala (just like me), I would expect you to hate the idea of the government detaining/deporting citizens because of their incompetence. 

Of course I don't support people being wrongly deported.  If mistakes are made, they should be corrected.  You'll need to point me to specific examples of people being wrongly deported because the only cases I know about involve children who are US citizens.  In those cases, the parents were deported and took the child with them.  That doesn't mean a US Citizen was wrongly deported but that's sure how it shows up in the media and with the talking point.  

[pfife]

15 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Guy who can't spell in an age where spell check exists says other posters are something something. 

Nice poast

Remember that time youre poast admitted you were a bootlicker and then youre poast tried to blame my poast for it that poast was awesome

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[GalagaGuy]

1 minute ago, pfife said:

Nice poast

Notice how you've completely given up on trying to defend your position on the issue being discussed?  Very telling.  

[chasfh]

22 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Wearing blue pants and a light blue shirt and a silly hat is somehow identification though, right?   You also need to stop with this notion that "name and badge number" is some kind of national standard, it's not.  It's also nonsense to say that these officers are just set free every morning to go out rounding up random people with no accountability.  

I am not saying any of these "nonsense" things. You're the one saying them, I assume as straw men statements.

If somehow who purports to be a sworn officer of the law refuses to identify themselves or whom they work for when asked by citizens, that means they are trying to hide their identities and whom they work for, and they're doing it on the citizens' dime. Maybe that's fine for you. It's not for me.

[pfife]

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[pfife]

1 minute ago, GalagaGuy said:

Notice how you've completely given up on trying to defend your position on the issue being discussed?  Very telling.  

Nah i still think immigrants are awesome

[CMRivdogs]

Immigration get the job done. They won our independence 

[mtutiger]

13 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Speaking on behalf of others, without their consent, my guess is most are along the lines that they are already here, mostly good people trying to make a living, and unless they do something additional to warrant deportation, give them a path to citizenship. 

I think this is right.... and I think the same electorate that, yes, gave Donald J. Trump the victory in last years election did not expect the most maximalist, Stephen Miller-esque posture from the incoming administration either. You see it in polling data and how their numbers on immigration enforcement saw their biggest collapses after Kilmar Abrego Garcia and after LA.

The reality is that while people do not like illegal immigration and expect people to try and legally migrate, they expected an enforcement regime that would be centered on removing *criminals* from the streets. Instead, they are getting an enforcement regime that is interesting in juicing the stats as much as humanly possible in order to meet unrealistic quotas for deportation (2 million in a year).... which in turn means they aren't focusing on criminals, but anybody and everybody they can possibly get their hands on, and doing so in a dragnet style, shooting first and asking questions later (metaphorically speaking). No freaking wonder people are pissed off.

If you wanted to fix this from a policy perspective, the median position is to do a good job on the border (which again, Trump has done just looking at the stats) and to provide way to adjudicate those that are here without legal status (including some like dreamers who didn't even make the choice themselves) in a way that is reasonably fair, doesn't **** up the economy, etc., which these guys decidedly have NOT done.

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[pfife]

2 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Immigration get the job done. They won our independence 

hell yes.  I see immigrants display a level of perseverance no americans do.  Daily.  

only people who hate america and make bad poasts here would want less of that awesomeness 

[Tiger337]

I don't think Gallaraga hates America.  He's big on the illegal immigrant thing, but he seems to otherwise disrespect Trump appropriately.  

[Tiger337]

12 minutes ago, pfife said:

hell yes.  I see immigrants display a level of perseverance no americans do.  Daily.  

 

Yes!  And I know how hard it is for some immigrants to maintain their visas especially with the current administration.  I don't really care if someone that's already here is documented or undocomented if they are working hard and contributing to the welfare of the country.  People talk about illegal immigrants like they are all rapists and murders when they are actually less likely to commit crimes that native born Americans.  

[ewsieg]

16 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Of course I don't support people being wrongly deported.  If mistakes are made, they should be corrected.  You'll need to point me to specific examples of people being wrongly deported because the only cases I know about involve children who are US citizens.  In those cases, the parents were deported and took the child with them.  That doesn't mean a US Citizen was wrongly deported but that's sure how it shows up in the media and with the talking point.  

There have been a few well known cases of folks with legal status deported in error.  As far as citizens, that one child with cancer enrages me, but you have an argument that it was the parents deported.  Note, they claim they wanted the kids to stay, which they would have a right to do.  I don't know more details on that though.  

Definitely tons of US citizens detained.  There was that dad with DACA status that was legally here that made the mistake of visiting family in Mexico and he got deported back before finally getting it cleared and getting back home a few weeks later.  Heck, might have been under Obama there was a citizen that was detained for almost four years before ICE finally stopped trying to find a way to deport him (if I remember correctly, he immigrated from somewhere with his mom and later became a citizen, but they were arguing his mom didn't have rights to bring him here, so he technically shouldn't be a citizen).   So if that can happen pre-Trump, with administrations that were pro-immigrant, I'm guessing the rhetoric of a non-lucid old man that cheats at golf and spouts that he wants to find a way to deport actual citizens might be the reason there is a lot of concern.

[LaceyLou]

27 minutes ago, pfife said:

hell yes.  I see immigrants display a level of perseverance no americans do.  Daily.  

 

Same. 

And for those of us whose family came in the late 19th/early 20th century, our ancestors were often unwelcome and subject to negative stereotypes. 

And it isn't always easy or even possible to 'do things the right way' when you're trying to escape war, persecution, or even extreme poverty. 

[CMRivdogs]

The other aspect that enters the conversation is that Trump and his “advisers” have put a bad connotation on the word. Illegal’s have become code for nonwhite’s seeking to enter the country. Especially among the White Christian Nationalists crowd. Before that many of the same folks brought the connotation on Arabs and Muslims during the Middle East wars. Nobody talks about white Europeans that may enter illegally. Or even folks from say China who paid Trump big bucks to come and produce anchor babies