Trumps Presidency 2025

[chasfh]

49 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I don't think it's a crazy notion that Trump was an informant.  Thinking that he was an innocent informant is the crazy part.  

He informs on himself with every accusation he hurls at others.

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

The best part will be if/when MAGA goes into decline and the recriminations start, and the red hats will blame liberals/Democrats/you/me for being complicit in allowing a system to evolve to lead to a Trump being elected in the first place.

this reminds me of a the column Brooks wrote this week. He defended that he 'can't' be a liberal even now because he doesn't agree with liberal welfare policy. What total naivete in a grown-ass man. If you don't get on the lib side now you aren't going to have the option to debate welfare policy in the future. Idiot.

[romad1]

5 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

this reminds me of a the column Brooks wrote this week. He defended that he 'can't' be a liberal even now because he doesn't agree with liberal welfare policy. What total naivete in a grown-ass man. If you don't get on the lib side now you aren't going to have the option to debate welfare policy in the future. Idiot.

Tony Gilroy on Charlie Sykes (Sykes was quite the fanboy let me tell you), was basically...when you are in the situation of autocracy threatening democracy (as I'm sure everyone here including the people cheering it on agree) policy differences are out the window.  You are at the stage where the only moral position is to fight the autocracy.  

In Andor, Gilroy used the example of the French Resistance in WWII but there were many others as well where there were all sorts of petty squabbles between factions of the resistance groups.  I gather Charles de Gaulle's forces were in gang warfare against communist resistance forces all over London during the run up to D-Day. 

Brooks is like those Monarchist resistance groups still pining for the Hohenzollern kaiser to return to Germany.  

[Edman85]

He had already had his falling out with Epstein before the feds got interested.

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

this reminds me of a the column Brooks wrote this week. He defended that he 'can't' be a liberal even now because he doesn't agree with liberal welfare policy. What total naivete in a grown-ass man. If you don't get on the lib side now you aren't going to have the option to debate welfare policy in the future. Idiot.

I think one can get on the save democracy side without embracing welfare.  

[ewsieg]

https://newrepublic.com/article/200181/ice-raid-hyundai-stupid-cruel

I don't disagree with New Republic here, it's stupid and cruel, but I think they are missing the bigger picture.  I feel like they are trying to make it an argument between should we go after those working here illegally, or those who hired them to work here illegally.

Right now Trump is leveraging his Tariff scare tactic with agreements that if you invest in America, you'll get a pass, or at least you'll be better off than others.  These South Koreans weren't permanent workers in Georgia, they were here because of a broken immigration system that can't process these workers in a realistic time frame.  They weren't here 'taking our jobs', but helping get a plant online and training locals that would be working here.  It's the Trump admin cutting off its nose to spite its face.  

There is zero chance they get the immigration thing fixed either, they have no interest in doing so.  How ironic/crazy would it be if in 50 years kids are reading in textbooks that Trumps tariff plan was actually successful and did spur the activity he wanted, but his own immigration plan suffocated it and never allowed it to come to fruition.

[gehringer_2]

41 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

or those who hired them to work here illegally.

The Hyundai raid may be have been the dumbest one yet. 

But more generally, have they yet fined or even brought a single employer to court? This is exactly analogous to drugs and pushers. You can bust all the pushers you want, but as long as there are users, new ones will arise in their place because the profit is worth the risk from enforcement. You can bust and deport all the workers you want, as long as there is no effective penalty for hiring them, the profit from low wage workers is higher than any cost they bear from enforcement - (which only seems to fall on the workers). So the jobs for undocumented workers remain, and If the jobs stay,  they will keep drawing illegal workers, who in the end will fail to be dissuaded from coming by all the depravity ICE throws at them for that purpose, because humans will just put up with whatever they have to put up with to support themselves and their families.