2025 NCAA Football Thread

[Hongbit]

1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

Touchdown Jesus is entering the portal. 

 

All of Notre Dame’s problems have the same cause.   They insist on being independent in a system where you need alignment.    Join the Big Ten and get everything gets better. 

It’s got to be an ego thing at this point because the money doesn’t even make sense.  They get $50M from NBC yet the Big Ten is expected to give out $75M.  

[CMRivdogs]

Maybe if Notre Dame would actually fully align themselves with the ACC along with playing tougher teams on non conference days.....

 

 

Never Happen. For the ACC reason alone they should be shut out of the playoff picture. 

[Deleterious]

17 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

All of Notre Dame’s problems have the same cause.   They insist on being independent in a system where you need alignment.    Join the Big Ten and get everything gets better. 

It’s got to be an ego thing at this point because the money doesn’t even make sense.  They get $50M from NBC yet the Big Ten is expected to give out $75M.  

You're not really comparing similar numbers there.  The $75 million represents the total payout from the conference.  Majority of it is probably TV/Media money, but it also includes ticket revenue sharing, bowl revenue sharing, etc.  The $50 million is straight TV/Media money for ND.  

[Hongbit]

9 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

You're not really comparing similar numbers there.  The $75 million represents the total payout from the conference.  Majority of it is probably TV/Media money, but it also includes ticket revenue sharing, bowl revenue sharing, etc.  The $50 million is straight TV/Media money for ND.  

The Big Ten doesn’t share any ticket revenue.    Schools keep all their gameday money.  The same is true with individual licensing for clothing and other logo merchandise.   The $75M is from media rights, bowl payouts and NCAA tournament payouts.  That’s mainly it.  

Even if they ND are keeping bowl and tournament money for themselves, they are still many millions short of a current B10 share

[Deleterious]

In Big Ten Conference, they split the gate

Bit old, but I don't see anything saying they changed this.

 

[4hzglory]

51 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Maybe if Notre Dame would actually fully align themselves with the ACC along with playing tougher teams on non conference days.....

 

 

Never Happen. For the ACC reason alone they should be shut out of the playoff picture. 

If they were aligned with the ACC, their strength of schedule would have been significantly worse as they would have played 8 ACC games instead of 6 and the ACC teams were the weakest teams on their schedule (except Miami)

They played 2 SEC teams, lost to A&M by 1 on a botched XP and beat Arkansas worse than any other SEC team.  If they were fully in the ACC it's doubtful they play either.  

 

I honestly have no issue with Miami being ahead of them in the end (even if i don't agree).  It's the fact that 5 weeks ago they and Miami both were 6-2 and ND was ranked 8 spots ahead of MIami with the game one on the record.  Since then they played 4 games.  ND won by an average of 38 pts, Miami by 27.5.  2 were common opponents and ND had greater margin of victory.  What in those 5 weeks caused MIami to gain 9 spots on ND?

 

My biggest issue is with Alabama not dropping at all after getting destroyed by Georgia.  IMO ND & Miami should have been in and Alabama out as every other team that lost a championship game dropped at least 2 spots if the game wasn't close.

Edited Monday at 08:22 PM by 4hzglory

[gehringer_2]

33 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

In Big Ten Conference, they split the gate

Bit old, but I don't see anything saying they changed this.

 

yeah, I looked this up recently too. It's not quite like it was back in the 10 team days - then it was a pure 50/50 on the gate, but today there are some caps and the other good question I didn't find the answer to is whether seat licensing fees are part of the 'gate'. I sort of doubt it even though they are a major source of overall ticket revenue. It still a better payday for any of the cupcakes than they could get at home.

Edited Monday at 08:28 PM by gehringer_2

[CMRivdogs]

17 minutes ago, 4hzglory said:

If they were aligned with the ACC, their strength of schedule would have been significantly worse as they would have played 8 ACC games instead of 6 and the ACC teams were the weakest teams on their schedule (except Miami)

 

Notre Dame's strength of schule was about the same as Miami's. (42 vs 44). Miami's margin of victory was better against 3 of the 4 common opponents against Miami. Their margin against Syracuse was significantly better.

After all that I'm tickled that JMU got in...

[buddha]

3 hours ago, 4hzglory said:

If they were aligned with the ACC, their strength of schedule would have been significantly worse as they would have played 8 ACC games instead of 6 and the ACC teams were the weakest teams on their schedule (except Miami)

They played 2 SEC teams, lost to A&M by 1 on a botched XP and beat Arkansas worse than any other SEC team.  If they were fully in the ACC it's doubtful they play either.  

 

I honestly have no issue with Miami being ahead of them in the end (even if i don't agree).  It's the fact that 5 weeks ago they and Miami both were 6-2 and ND was ranked 8 spots ahead of MIami with the game one on the record.  Since then they played 4 games.  ND won by an average of 38 pts, Miami by 27.5.  2 were common opponents and ND had greater margin of victory.  What in those 5 weeks caused MIami to gain 9 spots on ND?

 

My biggest issue is with Alabama not dropping at all after getting destroyed by Georgia.  IMO ND & Miami should have been in and Alabama out as every other team that lost a championship game dropped at least 2 spots if the game wasn't close.

byu had a better strength of scheduke than both miami and notre dame.  they only lost to the #4 team on the road.

[4hzglory]

11 minutes ago, buddha said:

byu had a better strength of scheduke than both miami and notre dame.  they only lost to the #4 team on the road.

Agreed, but they got blown out in both on the road and their wins were much closer.  Either way, Alabama should have dropped just like BYU did  (and they never should have moved up in the first place by barely beating 5-7 Auburn) the committee basically guaranteed this outcome the week before, although I wonder if it would have been Miami out if Virginia won and went as the ACC champ.  It still would have been wrong IMO as Alabama losing in the fashion they did, didn’t deserve to stay at 9

[buddha]

34 minutes ago, 4hzglory said:

Agreed, but they got blown out in both on the road and their wins were much closer.  Either way, Alabama should have dropped just like BYU did  (and they never should have moved up in the first place by barely beating 5-7 Auburn) the committee basically guaranteed this outcome the week before, although I wonder if it would have been Miami out if Virginia won and went as the ACC champ.  It still would have been wrong IMO as Alabama losing in the fashion they did, didn’t deserve to stay at 9

alabama also had better wins than notre dame.  if notre dame wants to make it to the playoff with a 2 loss record, they can join a real conference.  i dont have sympathy for notre dame and their attitude. 

that said, i think each of the teams involved - alabama, notre dame, miami, and byu - all had a case.  what is odd and what gives notre dame a bit of a legit grievance is they were ranked higher than miami and then got jumped for no apparent reason.  and notre dame was very impressive down the stretch -albeit against "lesser" competition - than bama or miami or byu.

 

[casimir]

Go back to a computer system and take the back room discussion out of it.

[MichiganCardinal]

10 minutes ago, casimir said:

Go back to a computer system and take the back room discussion out of it.

I would support this as long as they’re going to pretend like this is still college football and not have the Big Ten and SEC leave everyone in the dust.

All nine conference champions (not including the two-team PAC-12 or Notre Dame) get an auto-bid. Plus 11 at-large teams, as determined by a computer. All teams are ranked #1-20 based on the computer.

First round is just #14 vs. #20, #15 vs. #19, #16 vs. #19, and #17 vs. #18. Which will be mostly MAC and CUSA champions against lesser at-large teams. Re-seed after every round.

[buddha]

do it like they do in hockey.  very open and transparent with what teams need to get in.  the formula is known before the season starts and teams know what they need to do.

[casimir]

8 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I would support this as long as they’re going to pretend like this is still college football and not have the Big Ten and SEC leave everyone in the dust.

All nine conference champions (not including the two-team PAC-12 or Notre Dame) get an auto-bid. Plus 11 at-large teams, as determined by a computer. All teams are ranked #1-20 based on the computer.

First round is just #14 vs. #20, #15 vs. #19, #16 vs. #19, and #17 vs. #18. Which will be mostly MAC and CUSA champions against lesser at-large teams. Re-seed after every round.

 

8 hours ago, buddha said:

do it like they do in hockey.  very open and transparent with what teams need to get in.  the formula is known before the season starts and teams know what they need to do.

We can get this hammered out before noon.

[Deleterious]

 

[Deleterious]

 

[Hongbit]

Private Equity is the devil.  Money is their temptation.  College sports will find this out.   Will be interesting to see if they can force out the University from its own sports program if the financial returns aren’t what they want a few years from now.  

[MichiganCardinal]

4 hours ago, casimir said:

We can get this hammered out before noon.

Our qualifications as fans are not that far below the qualifications of the current committee. At least most of us aren't actively or formerly employed by the very entities we are judging.

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, Hongbit said:

Private Equity is the devil.  Money is their temptation.  College sports will find this out.   Will be interesting to see if they can force out the University from its own sports program if the financial returns aren’t what they want a few years from now.  

they also leave a lot of bankruptcies behind in their wake. How does a university go bankrupt? How does any Public University operate as a profit making concern? Sound's like at minimum that has  to be taxable....

You would think that at some point the state governments that these school report to would inject a little sanity into something that has gone so far off the rails nobody even remembers what the railroad was put there for. But this is America, and social policy insanity seems to be order of the day.

Edited Tuesday at 05:05 PM by gehringer_2

[Hongbit]

We are inching closer to my thought that the NFL will swallow up college football and use it to create its own developmental league.  

These conferences are cooking their own golden goose and soon it will be in the NFL’s best interest to end this partnership and take total control.  

[buddha]

27 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

they also leave a lot of bankruptcies behind in their wake. How does a university go bankrupt? How does any Public University operate as a profit making concern? Sound's like at minimum that has  to be taxable....

You would think that at some point the state governments that these school report to would inject a little sanity into something that has gone so far off the rails nobody even remembers what the railroad was put there for. But this is America, and social policy insanity seems to be order of the day.

and, you know, they are supposed to be non-profits...maybe the threat of the tax man will do it....

[Deleterious]

17 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

We are inching closer to my thought that the NFL will swallow up college football and use it to create its own developmental league.  

These conferences are cooking their own golden goose and soon it will be in the NFL’s best interest to end this partnership and take total control.  

They will make a lot more money putting NFL games on Saturday.  They will have to lobby congress, but it's coming.  

 

[Deleterious]

 

[gehringer_2]

7 hours ago, Hongbit said:

We are inching closer to my thought that the NFL will swallow up college football and use it to create its own developmental league.  

These conferences are cooking their own golden goose and soon it will be in the NFL’s best interest to end this partnership and take total control.  

they surely couldn't do any worse.