Red Wings Offseason 2025

[Jason_R]

It is easy to say in retrospect that he should have fired Lalonde sooner. Maybe he should have. I’m OK with him not making rash decisions. 

Nobody is saying the Winga have an upper echelon roster. Is Yzerman responsible for the roster? Well, yes, within the constraints of a limited pool of talent in the franchise, a limited pool of FA talent, and a limited pool of funds. 

Fans of every franchise want to be in the playoffs. The roster as is was good enough to have gotten in the past two seasons. They didn’t. (Maybe if he had kept Gostisbehere they would have, but maybe G wouldn’t have stayed at any price because he wanted to compete for a Cup.)

If they can’t get Danielson, ASP, MBN, and a goalie up and in the playoffs by the end of 2026-27, that will be the sign that it is time to move on from Yzerman. 

Edited Tuesday at 05:55 PM by Jason_R
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[Mr.TaterSalad]

The other part of the equation with Yzerman and when be critiquing him is the whole "Yeah, well, what moves would you have wanted him to make instead?" That is something that certainly should be taken into account and I am aware of. It is easy to arm chair GM and then criticize after the fact.

They probably should have tanked for another season after 2022 and continued the rebuild going into the 22-23 season instead of bringing in what Yzerman viewed as quality starters like Chiarot, Copp, and Perron. I think I was onboard with this idea at the time. Though I did like the Copp and Perron moves when they were made. even if the money was steep on Copp. I never liked the Chiarot signing and I don't know that any fans really did.

We all know we've had famously bad lottery luck, but there is no guarantee that would continue and you can't run a franchise acting as if it would. I don't think it would have been a bad thing to essentially continue the rebuild for one more season in 22-23. This would have given us get better lottery odds for a chance at one of Bedard, Carlsson, or Fantilli in the 2023 draft. I do think had we waited it out one more year we're likely in a better financial position without Chiarot and Copp eating up so much cap space. I do think our PK would be substantially worse without Copp and our defense marginally worse without Chiarot. That said, I would trade being worse in one of those two aspects if it meant we had a Bedard, Carlsson, or Fantilli to build around. Again though, no guarantee we would have gotten a top 3 pick.

[Shinzaki]

Ras and Compher both backslide a bit last year...I would hope putting them with Copp on a 3rd line would maximize their output.  Don't think we'll find any takers for them and we have needs on the top six and on D that have to be addressed first.

At this point...I would take the 23/24 Ras who scored 13 goals and was a plus 8 on the season.  Disappointing output from a 1st rd pick...but...oh well.

[1984Echoes]

On 6/9/2025 at 5:04 PM, buddha said:

i dont see why anyone wants rasmussen around.  he's been awful since he got hurt.  he's the definition of a passenger on almost every night.  he should be a big, physical player forechecking the mess out of everyone and he just skates around doing very little... most of the time.

He has COMPLETELY...

Turned into Mantha.

[buddha]

1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said:

He has COMPLETELY...

Turned into Mantha.

he has the worst part of mantha (not trying hard or using his size effectively) without the exceptional skill that mantha would flash in stretches.

[Shinzaki]

Stevie signs another goalie..

https://x.com/m_bultman/status/1932598981324046598?t=HTjzuHzUWI0rHLY5_aV70Q&s=19

[Mr.TaterSalad]

So another goalie that will block Cossa from getting NHL ice team or no?

[lordstanley]

Is Yzerman trying to replicate Hinch's pitching chaos of last September with its bullpen days? Let's have a 1st period goalie, a 2nd period goalie, a 3rd period goalie, a penalty kills goalie.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

We could do the same with second pairing defenseman. One period it can be Petry and Gustafsson, the next it can be Edvinsson and Holl, and then the third period it can be Johansson and Chiarot.

[gehringer_2]

23 hours ago, Jason_R said:

If they can’t get Danielson, ASP, MBN, and a goalie up and in the playoffs by the end of 2026-27, that will be the sign that it is time to move on from Yzerman. 

That would be 8 rookie adds in 2 or 3 years, plus Seider, which all things being equal, is good organizational performance. He just has to stop torpedoing himself with his in NHL moves.

[buddha]

4 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

So another goalie that will block Cossa from getting NHL ice team or no?

cossa's late season performances are blocking cossa getting nhl ice time.  not steve yzerman.

would you rather have jack campbell in grand rapids?  or this guy?

personally, i'd rather have augustine, but he decided to go back to msu.

[buddha]

Looks like kreider to the ducks.  so there goes that trade possibility.

i'm not sad to see him go elsewhere, but he was rumored to be a wings potential trade target.

[slothfacekilla]

You can never have too many goalies in the organization imo, and I'm pretty sure they lost one of their echl guys to going back to Europe.  He's young for a goalie and been playing well, seems like a decent shot in the dark.

[slothfacekilla]

Damn it Buch got traded to CSKA Moscow, looks like another season in the KHL.  Kaprizov and Panarin came over at age 23 so Buch is trending towards that.

[Shinzaki]

Wings were rumored to be signing Euro goalie Arvid Holm...I wonder if that's still a possibility

[buddha]

1 hour ago, slothfacekilla said:

Damn it Buch got traded to CSKA Moscow, looks like another season in the KHL.  Kaprizov and Panarin came over at age 23 so Buch is trending towards that.

welp....he'll be on a little bit better team.

[slothfacekilla]

It would be pretty funny if he decided that he wasn't cool with it after all

[Jason_R]

21 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

That would be 8 rookie adds in 2 or 3 years, plus Seider, which all things being equal, is good organizational performance. He just has to stop torpedoing himself with his in NHL moves.

Holl was a disaster. Everyone else they paid market price. 

The real problem is that in the rebuild they traded away players, got a dozen second-round picks in three drafts, and got one NHL player out of it. Where is the development?

[1984Echoes]

On 6/11/2025 at 8:56 AM, Mr.TaterSalad said:

So another goalie that will block Cossa from getting NHL ice team or no?

No...

Grand Rapids competition for him.

To...

Sort of give him a push.

IMO.

[buddha]

amen, brother.

the only non-drafted player who has given value to the team over his contract last year is patrick kane.  a guy who landed on their doorstep because no one else wanted him, not because the wings unearthed him.

shayne gothisebere and jake walman might have been nice and better than justin holl and eric gustaffson.  just sayin.  

and that's not a matter of "players wont sign with us" because you had them under contract and didnt re-sign them/gave them away.

[slothfacekilla]

Oddly enough the Wings power play got better last season without Gostisbehere or Walman and that's pretty much why you would want them on the team. Plus I doubt he signs the deal he did in Carolina with Detroit.

[GalagaGuy]

To anyone complaining about signing more goalies, look at Edmonton right now.  They have all the talent in the world but are about to lose the Cup because they don't have a good goalie on the roster.  

[Mr.TaterSalad]

4 hours ago, GalagaGuy said:

To anyone complaining about signing more goalies, look at Edmonton right now.  They have all the talent in the world but are about to lose the Cup because they don't have a good goalie on the roster.  

I don't think Edmonton has "All the talent in the world" or a stacked roster by any means. I also don't think Holland did some amazing job building a roster. I don't think Edmonton is a team we can emulate with a roster build either. I think Edmonton has two of the top 5 players in the league plus a top 10-15 defenseman in Evan Bouchard. My apologies in advance if the talent in the world comment isn't directly related to roster building by the organization.

If Edmonton didn't have the lottery luck they had, they would be a team struggling to make the playoffs. I also feel that Bouchard wouldn't look as good as he does. If you took Draisaitl and McDavid and traded them to the Wings for Copp and Larkin Edmonton would be where we are and we would likely be where they are. They would be struggling to make he playoffs and likely miss them. That doesn't mean we have a well assembled roster though. Hell, if you traded those two to Florida for Reinhart and Barkov, Edmonton would have 5-10 less wins and 18-20 less points at minimum in my view. Conversely, in that same scenario, Florida would be nearly unstoppable.

I mean, kudos to Peter Chiarelli for not being an idiot, overthinking it, and making two obvious NHL draft picks at the top of the draft. But Edmonton to me is an example of pure lottery luck, not great roster building. When I think of well built rosters in the NHL that are better than Edmonton I think of Carolina, Florida, and Vegas before them. If I really dove deep into the stats I could probably find a few more rosters I would take ahead of theirs. When I say well built rosters I mean teams that both drafted well and made smart pro-side moves.

Edited 31 minutes ago by Mr.TaterSalad