Red Wings Offseason 2025

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, buddha said:

karlsson is still an excellent offensive defensiveman, he just provides zero defense.  think red wings edition paul coffey.

I don't know how much input he gets, but from listening so far, McLellan doesn't talk like a coach interested in a non-D D-man. Then again, talk is one thing, having an asset in hand is another.

[Shinzaki]

Rumor has it Wings have contacted NJ re Dougie Hamilton.  Seems like they're looking for a 2nd pair RHD who can provide some offense

[buddha]

20 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

Rumor has it Wings have contacted NJ re Dougie Hamilton.  Seems like they're looking for a 2nd pair RHD who can provide some offense

god no.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

 

Hamilton is a good offensive defenseman, but a below average actual defender, as is shown by RAPM chart (or whatever it's called). We'd be on the hook for $9 mil per year for the next three years, which is cheaper than Karlsson by around $2.5 mil. He's also 3 years younger than Karlsson is. Hamilton doesn't fit the tough, checking, defensively smart, puck clearing defenseman that we need. He'd just be another boost to the offense and we'd have to likely find room for him on the powerplay. I think I'd pass on Hamilton and may even go for the more productive Karlsson if I had to pick between the two.

[buddha]

1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

 

Hamilton is a good offensive defenseman, but a below average actual defender, as is shown by RAPM chart (or whatever it's called). We'd be on the hook for $9 mil per year for the next three years, which is cheaper than Karlsson by around $2.5 mil. He's also 3 years younger than Karlsson is. Hamilton doesn't fit the tough, checking, defensively smart, puck clearing defenseman that we need. He'd just be another boost to the offense and we'd have to likely find room for him on the powerplay. I think I'd pass on Hamilton and may even go for the more productive Karlsson if I had to pick between the two.

karlsson has also been healthier...which is funny to say.  but he's played all 82 for three straight seasons.  hamilton has played 20 and 62 the last two years.

karlsson is older and more expensive, but has one less year on his deal.  if youre looking for an asp tutor or what asp's absolute besr case scenario is as a player, its karlsson.

[slothfacekilla]

https://teamusa.usahockey.com/news_article/show/1342448

Plante and Whipple invited to the US camp for the World Junior Summer Showcase

[buddha]

wheeler's new goalie prospect rankings has augustine at #3 and cossa dropping to #8.

he writes about augustine:

"He and fellow Red Wings goalie prospect Sebastian Cossa are such different people and goalies as well, which will make for an interesting yin and yang dynamic, I think. But I'm a bigger believer in Augustine and believe has has already passed — or will pass — Cossa on their depth chart."

[Shinzaki]

IIRC...Wheeler has never been a Cossa guy

[lordstanley]

It seems like whenever a team has more than one 1st round pick, they'll take a flier on one of them. Rather than be as prudent as they'd be if that was their only 1st round pick. Would Yzerman have drafted a goalie at #15 if he hadn't also had a #6 overall pick that year (Edvinsson)? Not that any of picks 16-32 except for Wyatt Johnston have made much of an impact at the NHL level yet (a few like #17 Bolduc, #24 Samoskevich and #27 L'Heureux seem to have established themselves as NHL regulars though).

[slothfacekilla]

It is wild to me to say a goalie still in the NCAA has passed a guy who is an AHL All Star with over a .910 save percentage his last two AHL seasons.  I expected him to have Wallstedt over Cossa so at least that was a nice surprise...

[buddha]

4 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

It is wild to me to say a goalie still in the NCAA has passed a guy who is an AHL All Star with over a .910 save percentage his last two AHL seasons.  I expected him to have Wallstedt over Cossa so at least that was a nice surprise...

cossa ended the year.....poorly.

cossa is an upside play.  6'6 goalies dont grow on trees.  augustine seems like a higher floor, lower ceiling prospect.

i would deal cossa to a team like philly that is desperate for a goalie.  bope that philly crashes out and trade for someon there?

[Shinzaki]

Grand Rapids on the whole ended the year poorly.  We have two goalies over 30 and only one of them is signed beyond this season.  under those circumstance..No way in hell am I trading a young goalie who's had a generally successful jr and minor pro career.

[buddha]

1 hour ago, Shinzaki said:

Grand Rapids on the whole ended the year poorly.  We have two goalies over 30 and only one of them is signed beyond this season.  under those circumstance..No way in hell am I trading a young goalie who's had a generally successful jr and minor pro career.

philly bombs out this year because their goaltending sucks again.  wings are chasing a playoff berth at the deadline.  you wouldnt deal cossa and a first round pick for konechny?

[slothfacekilla]

1 hour ago, Shinzaki said:

Grand Rapids on the whole ended the year poorly.  We have two goalies over 30 and only one of them is signed beyond this season.  under those circumstance..No way in hell am I trading a young goalie who's had a generally successful jr and minor pro career.

That roster, especially the defense, was not great last season.  I still would want to see Cossa finish better, my guess is they don't do the Mrazek / Gibson dance if Cossa kept his play up all season.

[Shinzaki]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

philly bombs out this year because their goaltending sucks again.  wings are chasing a playoff berth at the deadline.  you wouldnt deal cossa and a first round pick for konechny?

Moot point...no way Philly makes that deal.  But no..I'm not interested in trading our closest to NHL ready goalie when our situation is that unstable between the pipes.  Stevie seems to be banking a lot on where the team will be when his kids finally show up here...trading our top goalie prospect kinda flies in the face of that

[1984Echoes]

23 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

That roster, especially the defense, was not great last season.  I still would want to see Cossa finish better, my guess is they don't do the Mrazek / Gibson dance if Cossa kept his play up all season.

Even with last year's finish... (meaning even if Cossa had a great finish instead...)

I'm still perfectly fine having a Talbot/ Gibson tandem and making Cossa "PUSH" his way onto the Red Wings roster...

Also... any nick of either Red Wings goalie hopefully calls up Cossa directly... so we can see if he is indeed ready to try and hold onto an NHL roster spot. He should have PLENTY of auditions, starting in training camp, for that roster spot.

It also allows the Org to keep pushing Cossa for improvements... I hope the kid is doing everything he can to earn that spot.

Just my 2 cents.

[1984Echoes]

2 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

Moot point...no way Philly makes that deal.  But no..I'm not interested in trading our closest to NHL ready goalie when our situation is that unstable between the pipes.  Stevie seems to be banking a lot on where the team will be when his kids finally show up here...trading our top goalie prospect kinda flies in the face of that

Concur.

Buddha's been trying to trade Cossa since we drafted him.

No thank you.

[Jason_R]

26 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

That roster, especially the defense, was not great last season.  I still would want to see Cossa finish better, my guess is they don't do the Mrazek / Gibson dance if Cossa kept his play up all season.

If I recall correctly, Yzerman wanted to make the trade before the trade deadline but Gibson got injured. That trade would have occurred independent of Cossa’s play down the stretch. 

Maybe the trade reflects some concern about Cossa’s play to close last season but I suspect Yzerman has not seen Cossa as the short-term solution in net but as the medium-term one. Gibson is a bridge goaltender with a high floor and maybe a high ceiling. Hopefully Cossa earns a few more NHL starts this season then can back Gibson up in 2026-27. 

[buddha]

1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said:

Concur.

Buddha's been trying to trade Cossa since we drafted him.

No thank you.

oh ok mr. every wings prospect will be mini-gretzky.

you have to give up something to get something.  goalies are notoriously volatile.  the wings have a better prospect in augustine at the ready.  as far as i'm concerned EVERY wings prospect is available for a quality player on the right contract.

[buddha]

1 hour ago, Shinzaki said:

Moot point...no way Philly makes that deal.  But no..I'm not interested in trading our closest to NHL ready goalie when our situation is that unstable between the pipes.  Stevie seems to be banking a lot on where the team will be when his kids finally show up here...trading our top goalie prospect kinda flies in the face of that

the idea of cossa as untouchable is crazy to me.  

i'm good if they trade him, i'm good if they DONT trade him too.  but i'm not as high on him as some of you seem to be because he's a goalie and those guys are volatile and can take a long time to get good.  

i'm good with them trading any prospect if it brings back a good player that fits their timeline.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

I've been wanting a top-tier NHL player and so there is no prospect in the system, Cossa or otherwise, who I consider off limits. We don't have a prospect on this team or in our system that is considered untouchable IMO. Seider and Raymond aren't prospects at this point in their careers and I'd trade a guy like Kasper if it meant we got high-level player in return. If Cossa was a piece of a trade that netted an NHL-ready player then go for it, assuming the deal isn't a gross overpay.

[buddha]

2 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I've been wanting a top-tier NHL player and so there is no prospect in the system, Cossa or otherwise, who I consider off limits. We don't have a prospect on this team or in our system that is considered untouchable IMO. Seider and Raymond aren't prospects at this point in their careers and I'd trade a guy like Kasper if it meant we got high-level player in return. If Cossa was a piece of a trade that netted an NHL-ready player then go for it, assuming the deal isn't a gross overpay.

never say never, but i would have a much harder time trading kasper than cossa.

to me, kasper is right behind seider/raymond in the pecking order.  i might put him ahead of raymond because he can play center.  and i was a kasper doubter for a long time.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

2 hours ago, buddha said:

never say never, but i would have a much harder time trading kasper than cossa.

to me, kasper is right behind seider/raymond in the pecking order.  i might put him ahead of raymond because he can play center.  and i was a kasper doubter for a long time.

If Dallas was willing to trade Jason Robertson I'd move Kasper for a player like that. 

[Shinzaki]

If someone reaches out and makes an offer you can't refuse for Cossa..of course you would have to consider it.  Given the near constant state of flux we've been in with that position...I am not shopping any of our young goalies until we know what we have.

I'm beginning to think that we aren't going to be governed by a Larkin/Cat timeline.  More like a Seider/Raymond/Kasperwhomever else emerges window as signing FA will be difficult with so many teams having so much cap space and our drafting position will be so "meh" unless we tumble downward again.  

 

 

[Jason_R]

Agree that the timeline is not Larkin but Seider/Raymond. 

Thought experiment. Larkin is signed to a pretty friendly contract. What would he sign for today, AAV, if he were UFA? What kind of a trade premium would that difference between his actual AAV and his market AAV?