2025 MLB Trading Deadline

[chasfh]

19 hours ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

https://www.mlb.com/news/best-trade-deadline-moves-this-century

 

It is rare indeed. That deal seals up every hole we have though. (I don't think it'd happen but it would). 

Fister 2011 was basically Doyle Alexander all over again, and he didn't cost us any John Smoltzes.

[chasfh]

15 hours ago, Longgone said:

I think you are overrating him. He offers power and little else, and I’m not sure how that will play in Comerica. He’s an aging, strikeout prone, maddeningly inconsistent rental.

Who is on track for a five-win season. Just sayin'.

[oblong]

57 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Fister 2011 was basically Doyle Alexander all over again, and he didn't cost us any John Smoltzes.

In a weird way he cost us Robbie Ray.  I know that sounds funny because that's who we traded Fister for.  But the fans really were against the trade and when DD sent Ray away I feel like he was responding to pressure which I've never thought before.  

 

[lordstanley]

 

[RatkoVarda]

 

[RatkoVarda]

Twins talking to Astros about Carlos Correa trade.

Guardians looking to move Kwan and Bieber.

Not surprising that baseball people see the AL Central race differently than the trolls.

[AlaskanTigersFan]

Great deal for both teams. I think the Pirates flip Rogers again. But they also get Stafura who has a real shot at starting at SS. He should shoot up some rankings after this year. 

[AlaskanTigersFan]

Holy Crap! Twins are asking Phillies for Andrew Painter for Jhoan Duran...... If Dave Dombrowski pays that, he needs to be fired instantly..... Would you trade Jobe if he was healthy for Jhoan Duran? I sure as poop wouldn't. The twins better be adding a heck of a lot more than just Duran if they are getting Painter back.......

These prices could be ASTRONOMICAL this year...... 

[LongLiveMaroth]

20 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

Great deal for both teams. I think the Pirates flip Rogers again. But they also get Stafura who has a real shot at starting at SS. He should shoot up some rankings after this year. 

Nah, Pirates won this trade easily unless by some magic Hayes actually puts up any offense, which given the back injuries is unlikely. They unload a contract and also bring in one with Rogers that they can flip as you pointed out. As a cheaply run team getting out of that contract is a big deal for them so this has to be a W for the Pirates.

[4hzglory]

Just now, AlaskanTigersFan said:

Holy Crap! Twins are asking Phillies for Andrew Painter for Jhoan Duran...... If Dave Dombrowski pays that, he needs to be fired instantly..... Would you trade Jobe if he was healthy for Jhoan Duran? I sure as poop wouldn't. The twins better be adding a heck of a lot more than just Duran if they are getting Painter back.......

These prices could be ASTRONOMICAL this year...... 

difference between asking and what you’ll get.  Twins don’t have to move Duran with 2 plus years affordable control.  He is the type I’d consider anyone but our top 3 (Rainer being my #3)

[AlaskanTigersFan]

1 minute ago, LongLiveMaroth said:

Nah, Pirates won this trade easily unless by some magic Hayes actually puts up any offense, which given the back injuries is unlikely. They unload a contract and also bring in one with Rogers that they can flip as you pointed out. As a cheaply run team getting out of that contract is a big deal for them so this has to be a W for the Pirates.

A good defensive 3B can reaaaaaaally help a pitching staff.... Don't underestimate that. If he takes away 2-3 hits per game, that's a great add. Hayes is the best there is...... There's a reason Austin Hedges has been traded almost every trade deadline for the last decade. Defense matters even if they can't hit a barn......

[AlaskanTigersFan]

1 minute ago, 4hzglory said:

difference between asking and what you’ll get.  Twins don’t have to move Duran with 2 plus years affordable control.  He is the type I’d consider anyone but our top 3 (Rainer being my #3)

Painter would be in our top 3 if he was in our Org. You can compare Painter with Jobe. I don't think there's one person here on this forum that will trade Jobe for Duran...... 

[LongLiveMaroth]

1 minute ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

Holy Crap! Twins are asking Phillies for Andrew Painter for Jhoan Duran...... If Dave Dombrowski pays that, he needs to be fired instantly..... Would you trade Jobe if he was healthy for Jhoan Duran? I sure as poop wouldn't. The twins better be adding a heck of a lot more than just Duran if they are getting Painter back.......

These prices could be ASTRONOMICAL this year...... 

"Asking" prices are almost always leaked by someone to drive a narrative. I am sure they asked for Painter, why wouldn't you? They'll come back with counter and back and forth it goes. Highly doubt Painter gets moved for Duran.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

I'm not sure Cleveland would trade him here, but I'd be in on getting Kwan. I don't know what the value would be to get him, but it feels like he could be traded for without a top 100 prospect being given up.

[LongLiveMaroth]

2 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

A good defensive 3B can reaaaaaaally help a pitching staff.... Don't underestimate that. If he takes away 2-3 hits per game, that's a great add. Hayes is the best there is...... There's a reason Austin Hedges has been traded almost every trade deadline for the last decade. Defense matters even if they can't hit a barn......

I think you overestimate the amount of hits that an average vs above average 3B takes away in a game. Hedges gets moved because defensive catchers are valuable and catchers in nature are generally not a very offensive position. 

[4hzglory]

4 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

A good defensive 3B can reaaaaaaally help a pitching staff.... Don't underestimate that. If he takes away 2-3 hits per game, that's a great add. Hayes is the best there is...... There's a reason Austin Hedges has been traded almost every trade deadline for the last decade. Defense matters even if they can't hit a barn......

No one takes away an average of .5 hits per game let alone 2-3.

[4hzglory]

1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I'm not sure Cleveland would trade him here, but I'd be in on getting Kwan. I don't know what the value would be to get him, but it feels like he could be traded for without a top 100 prospect being given up.

I think Lwan actually is a type who would get a couple top 100 prospects-under cheap control for multiple years beyond this one-too rich for me and our team needs.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Just now, 4hzglory said:

I think Lwan actually is a type who would get a couple top 100 prospects-under cheap control for multiple years beyond this one-too rich for me and our team needs.

You think Kwan nets a pair of Clark/McGonigle level prospects? I don't. Maybe he could net one, but what do I know in the end. I think he's a really nice player, but he's not an elite, top 50 player in the MLB this season. I don't see his production this year as a guy worth two of our top 5 guys that are currently in the MLB top 100. I think Liranzo is the highest I would go on the prospect pecking order to give up to Cleveland. 

I would package a deal that was something like Liranzo/Anderson/Rodriguez for Kwan or Kwan + a reliver. 

[RatkoVarda]

10 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I'm not sure Cleveland would trade him here, but I'd be in on getting Kwan. I don't know what the value would be to get him, but it feels like he could be traded for without a top 100 prospect being given up.

controls the zone for sure; but a poor fit with Riley; too much to give up to have Kwan or Riley in CF; neither has arm for RF.

[papalawrence]

Cleveland already said they would only trade Kwan if they are blown away with an offer. Why would they trade him? They're not in a rebuild

[holygoat]

4 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

You think Kwan nets a pair of Clark/McGonigle level prospects? I don't. Maybe he could net one, but what do I know in the end. I think he's a really nice player, but he's not an elite, top 50 player in the MLB this season. I don't see his production this year as a guy worth two of our top 5 guys that are currently in the MLB top 100.

He said two top 100 guys, not two top 20 guys. I don't know how willing the Twins are to move a guy like Kwan, tbh, and especially within the division. If we had Kwan and were out of the race, those of us here would be demanding one top 100 guy+ for sure.

[ewsieg]

20 hours ago, Longgone said:

I think you are overrating him. He offers power and little else, and I’m not sure how that will play in Comerica. He’s an aging, strikeout prone, maddeningly inconsistent rental.

I feel like our lineup would welcome a 'maddeningly inconsistent' .900 OPS guy.

Granted, I feel our defense is a bigger reason for our 1st place position then just about anything else, and we'd take a hit there.

 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

3 minutes ago, papalawrence said:

Cleveland already said they would only trade Kwan if they are blown away with an offer. Why would they trade him? They're not in a rebuild

Aren't Ortiz and Clase about to get banned from baseball for betting? Not that Ortiz is some dynamite starter, but losing Clase will be a big loss. But given where Cleveland is at right now, given that the division is down as a whole, and given that they might lose two pitchers permanently, it seems like a rebuild could be in their future. Or maybe a retool if they lose Clase. But if they lose Clase, is Cleveland really going to go big on the open market to try and replace him?M aybe they don't want to do it though and they'll just keep plugging along.

[LongLiveMaroth]

The other Rogers brother

[AlaskanTigersFan]

37 minutes ago, 4hzglory said:

No one takes away an average of .5 hits per game let alone 2-3.

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It’s a relatively hefty sum to take on, though Hayes remains such a premium defender that his glove alone is arguably worth the remaining $9MM annual value on the contract (including the 2026 buyout). Hayes has been credited with an astonishing 91 Defensive Runs Saved and 73 Outs Above Average in 4796 career innings at third base, including 16 DRS and 15 OAA in 861 innings this year already. Since Hayes debuted in 2020, he leads all of Major League Baseball (at all positions) in both DRS and OAA. Andres Gimenez’s 63 DRS and Francisco Lindor’s 68 OAA are the second-highest marks in each category.

On top of a legitimate claim to being the game’s top defensive player, Hayes does have some encouraging offensive trends. His 20.7% strikeout rate in 2025 matches his career mark and checks in lower than the league average. He also regularly posts strong batted-ball metrics. Hayes has averaged 90.7 mph off the bat in his career, and 46.3% of his batted balls have traveled 95 mph or faster. The downside, however, is that far too much of that hard contact comes in the form of ground-balls. A hefty 49.5% of Hayes’ career batted balls have been hit into the ground, and his lack of consistent elevation offsets his average power. - https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/07/pirates-trade-kebryan-hayes-reds.html

16 Defensive Runs saved this year.... Thats, A LOT. Dude is winning games with that glove. I think defense matters more than some people think. Pitching and Defense wins championships.