2025 MLB Trading Deadline

[Edman85]

What I like about Heuer and Sewald is they don't tie down a roster spot right now, but have upside. You can only carry 8 relievers, so bringing a couple guys in as options down the road is something you can afford to do when you have payroll flexibility and a large divisional lead.

[chasfh]

3 minutes ago, holygoat said:

Do you think they obtained him to be their closer?

You apparently stopped reading my post after the first paragraph. You don't have to go back and read the whole thing—just skip to the final paragraph.

[Toddwert]

as a fan you should want your team to do more always i dont get why everyone gets upset when that gets expressed 

[Tiger337]

28 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

The Tigers are the only team in MLB where their entire division has thrown in the towel. Everyone else sold and essentially conceded the playoff spot.    

They didn’t need to be as aggressive as others today since they aren’t fighting to secure a playoff spot.   Everyone else has to put pedal to metal just to ensure they get in.    

Playoffs are a crapshoot either way.  You can’t just build the best team and expect to win the World Series.    They could’ve added Suarez, Miller, and Bednar today and it still wouldn’t improve their chances of winning it all.  Definitely would’ve helped get them in the playoffs but that’s not an issue.  

I wouldn't say it wouldn't improve their chances of winning the World Series at all, but it wouldn't change it enough to make it worth giving up top prospects.  If you are going to give up top prospects, you need to acquire players that can help you longer than just this season and post-season.  The only exception might be acquiring an ace starter.  I think that's the only type of player that can boost your chances of winning the World Series enough where you might take the chance. Even then though, the Tigers never won it all with Verlander and Scherzer.   

[Mr.TaterSalad]

26 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

no one knows what Pitts wanted, but Harris could have easily topped the Yankees package IMO

No two ways around it, I am bummed about not getting a top-tier reliever like Bednar. Along with many here and many fans, I thought a RP was our biggest need. Yes, we added some ok pieces, but no one that makes me feel comfortable with a game on the line in the playoffs the way Bednar would have. It's insult to injury seeing him go to the Yankees as well.

[holygoat]

5 minutes ago, chasfh said:

You apparently stopped reading my post after the first paragraph. You don't have to go back and read the whole thing—just skip to the final paragraph.

I did! I figured everything that followed was irrelevant based on the particular foundation you laid. 

[Tiger337]

35 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I’m a little surprised people here are more sanguine about Kyle Finnegan than I thought they might be, or than I am for that matter. His card is decidedly meh for a reliever, and downright underwater for a closer on a contender.

He’s 33, so no wonder his fastball is down a tick from the last couple years, but even if you accept an understanding of that, the fact is it’s still down that tick. His K rate is well below average and down from previous years. His walk rate is slightly above league average. His HR rate is way down, but that’s because his HR/FB rate, considered to be mostly luck-based, is half his career average, which explains way his xFIP- is sharply up even as his FIP- dropped.

Flip side, Fangraphs pitchingbot has his stuff and command as both slightly above average for both his main pitches, and his fWAR is 0.6 even though his RA9-WAR is a flat zero, mainly due to the bad luck of not stranding enough runners. And he is pretty tough on lefties for a starboard pitcher.

I get that people are looking at this acquisition in terms of the cost of prospect capital, but that’s really not the true cost of picking him and anointing him closer, is it? Isn’t the true cost the absence of better pitchers we will not have acquired that would be a better fit for that spot? I’m not one of the guys here who wanted to liquidate the top of our system in exchange for the top fire-breather on the market, but I did think getting a no-doubt closer was going to be on the shopping list. Maybe the prices being quoted Scott were just too high for him to consider. 

As far as I can tell, Vest and Holton are still the two go-to guys at the back of the pen, with Finnegan probably now third on the chart. 

 

Not sanguine, just low expectations.  I was hoping for more, but I knew that the right deal wasn't necessarily going to happen. 

[monkeytargets39]

13 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

What I like about Heuer and Sewald is they don't tie down a roster spot right now, but have upside. You can only carry 8 relievers, so bringing a couple guys in as options down the road is something you can afford to do when you have payroll flexibility and a large divisional lead.

I was thinking the same thing.  It gives a few guys in the pen a chance to turn things around and if they don’t, then we have some ML caliber options to swap them out with.  

[casimir]

1 hour ago, kdog said:

 

That's interesting.  Do we think the Tigers might have acquired Sewald's shoulder in order to best remedy Olson's shoulder?

[chasfh]

7 minutes ago, holygoat said:

I did! I figured everything that followed was irrelevant based on the particular foundation you laid. 

I'm not the first guy here who mentioned Kyle Finnegan in the context of Tigers' closer, but I am the first guy you decided you wanted to call on the carpet for it, even though I mentioned it only in reply to those who did mention it first.

[chasfh]

5 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Not sanguine, just low expectations.  I was hoping for more, but I knew that the right deal wasn't necessarily going to happen. 

A few guys here said it was a good pickup for the price.

[tiger2022]

Finnegan has been pretty reliable lately.  Early on he had games where he gave up 2, 5, 3 & 3 ER.  That'll kill the ERA.  It does seem like he gives up a lot of hits and walks though.  He seems like he plays with fire a lot.

[RatkoVarda]

Correa to Houston - I hope it was a serious offer!

[chasfh]

Carlos Correa back to the Astros!

As long as the Twins are tearing it all down, come on, Scott, Joe Ryan to the Tigers!

[Toddwert]

all I know for sure is the AL central has got worse

[monkeytargets39]

9 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I wouldn't say it wouldn't improve their chances of winning the World Series at all, but it wouldn't change it enough to make it worth giving up top prospects.  If you are going to give up top prospects, you need to acquire players that can help you longer than just this season and post-season.  The only exception might be acquiring an ace starter.  I think that's the only type of player that can boost your chances of winning the World Series enough where you might take the chance. Even then though, the Tigers never won it all with Verlander and Scherzer.   

Very good point.  We’d have to screw up big time at this point to not make the playoffs—and a lot of what happens once you get to the playoffs small sample size and somewhat unpredictable.  
 

Better to make some small additions to the roster than sell off prospects that will likely be a part of many more future playoff runs.  The Tigers are BY FAR in the best position for this year and the next 5 years out of all teams in the division—so going for broke at a single trade deadline doesn’t make that much sense.

 

As much as I want the Tigers to bring in a bunch of established talent, I’d rather they be conservative at this point.  We went balls to the wall with DD at the helm and it never paid off fully…..why not try a different strategy?

[tiger2022]

The Tigers did about what I expected.  Somebody must like Finnegan because he stayed in high leverage roles for the Nats.

[RatkoVarda]

Just now, tiger2022 said:

The Tigers did about what I expected.  Somebody must like Finnegan because he stayed in high leverage roles for the Nats.

that was by default; they had no one else

[GalagaGuy]

Tigers need to give us at least one signing to be happy about.  

Edited 22 hours ago by GalagaGuy

[Toddwert]

2 minutes ago, tiger2022 said:

The Tigers did about what I expected.  Somebody must like Finnegan because he stayed in high leverage roles for the Nats.

the Nats just  fired everyone so i dont know if i would do what they do 

[RatkoVarda]

so if they meet in the playoffs, the Tigers are fortified by Finnegan, and the Astros are fortified by Correa

so if they meet in the playoffs, the Tigers are fortified by Finnegan, and the Yankees are fortified by Bednar

[tiger2022]

3 minutes ago, Toddwert said:

the Nats just  fired everyone so i dont know if i would do what they do 

Well, I guess there is always that.  

[Mr.TaterSalad]

What kind of deal would we have been talking about to beat what the Yankees offered up for Bednar? It looks like they gave up their #8 and #15 ranked prospects in their organization. Hao-Yu Lee and Jaden Hamm? Liranzo straight up? Seems like we could have topped the Yankees for sure. Oh well.

[Toddwert]

1 minute ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

What kind of deal would we have been talking about to beat what the Yankees offered up for Bednar? It looks like they gave up their #8 and #15 ranked prospects in their organization. Hao-Yu Lee and Jaden Hamm? Liranzo straight up? Seems like we could have topped the Yankees for sure. Oh well.

Max Anderson and Jaden Hamm maybe someone else to sweeten the deal

[tiger2022]