MichiganCardinal Posted December 1 Posted December 1 55 minutes ago, holygoat said: They walked into Philly and kicked the Eagles' asses. They're legit, not just a cute story. They’re no more legit than the 2024 Vikings. Analytics don’t lie. Analytics call them one of the worst 9-3 teams in NFL history. They’re overdue for an ass kicking of their own. 1 Quote
number20 Posted December 1 Posted December 1 Wouldn’t we *not* want to root for the Bears? I’d rather they lose to the Packers next week and swap positions. The Lions aren’t winning the division this year, so let Green Bay have it. Detroit’s best chance at getting in is to overtake the Bears as a wildcard, not the Packers with their two head-to-head wins. Beat Dallas next week, and with a Bears loss to GB it closes the gap to one game. Bingo: that wildcard spot is there for the taking since the Lions get to play the Bears again. Even if they go into Chicago a game back… win it and they’re in. I think this is correct? Someone check my math Quote
4hzglory Posted December 1 Posted December 1 44 minutes ago, number20 said: Wouldn’t we *not* want to root for the Bears? I’d rather they lose to the Packers next week and swap positions. The Lions aren’t winning the division this year, so let Green Bay have it. Detroit’s best chance at getting in is to overtake the Bears as a wildcard, not the Packers with their two head-to-head wins. Beat Dallas next week, and with a Bears loss to GB it closes the gap to one game. Bingo: that wildcard spot is there for the taking since the Lions get to play the Bears again. Even if they go into Chicago a game back… win it and they’re in. I think this is correct? Someone check my math The tiebreaker is very unlikely to come up with the Packers. Only way is if we have a tie. Quote
number20 Posted December 1 Posted December 1 14 minutes ago, 4hzglory said: The tiebreaker is very unlikely to come up with the Packers. Only way is if we have a tie. Good point. Still like their chances to overtake the Bears since they're done playing the Packers. With one matchup remaining, they have an opportunity to take a game away from Chicago. They can even be a game behind going in 1 Quote
sagnam Posted December 1 Posted December 1 26 minutes ago, number20 said: Wouldn’t we *not* want to root for the Bears? I’d rather they lose to the Packers next week and swap positions. The Lions aren’t winning the division this year, so let Green Bay have it. Detroit’s best chance at getting in is to overtake the Bears as a wildcard, not the Packers with their two head-to-head wins. Beat Dallas next week, and with a Bears loss to GB it closes the gap to one game. Bingo: that wildcard spot is there for the taking since the Lions get to play the Bears again. Even if they go into Chicago a game back… win it and they’re in. I think this is correct? Someone check my math I don’t care about that. The Lions have played their way into this situation, they need to play their way out. Not rely on others to lose to save them. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted December 1 Posted December 1 47 minutes ago, sagnam said: I don’t care about that. The Lions have played their way into this situation, they need to play their way out. Not rely on others to lose to save them. Thats pretty much what he was saying. Win this week and win in Chicago. But we cant win our way out of it if Chicago wins every game until we play them. They're 2 games ahead of us, we need other teams to beat them. Chicago winning in Philly makes me wonder if theyll lose. Quote
sagnam Posted December 1 Posted December 1 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Thats pretty much what he was saying. Win this week and win in Chicago. But we cant win our way out of it if Chicago wins every game until we play them. They're 2 games ahead of us, we need other teams to beat them. Chicago winning in Philly makes me wonder if theyll lose. He was saying we should not want to root for the Bears because the Bears losing to the Packers helps our chances. I was saying I don’t care about that. I want the Bears to win every game not against Detroit. If the Lions win out, great. That would be amazing. But I’m not going to hope that the Bears lose to the Packers. I hate the Packers and respect what the Bears are doing with the players they have. Edited December 1 by sagnam Quote
Sports_Freak Posted December 1 Posted December 1 10 hours ago, sagnam said: He was saying we should not want to root for the Bears because the Bears losing to the Packers helps our chances. I was saying I don’t care about that. I want the Bears to win every game not against Detroit. If the Lions win out, great. That would be amazing. But I’m not going to hope that the Bears lose to the Packers. I hate the Packers and respect what the Bears are doing with the players they have. The Lions need help to make the playoffs. We're closer to the Packers but the tie they had with Dallas and them having the tie breaker against us is a problem. I want the Lions to make the playoffs, losing to Dallas would make that much more improbable. If we win, I would prefer Chicago to sweep Green Bay so maybe we could pass them. But yeah, the Lions need to go 4-1 to have a realistic shot. And since we're 3-4 in our last 7, I don't know if we can. Quote
sagnam Posted December 1 Posted December 1 43 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: The Lions need help to make the playoffs. We're closer to the Packers but the tie they had with Dallas and them having the tie breaker against us is a problem. I want the Lions to make the playoffs, losing to Dallas would make that much more improbable. If we win, I would prefer Chicago to sweep Green Bay so maybe we could pass them. But yeah, the Lions need to go 4-1 to have a realistic shot. And since we're 3-4 in our last 7, I don't know if we can. No arguments there about needing help. If the Packers or some other annoying team like the 49ers stumble and the Lions back in, great. Anything can happen in the tournament, I guess. I just won’t have a rooting interest in other games based on how it affects the Lions. That ship has sailed for me with the pathetic showing the last few weeks. I hope the Bears win the NFC’s top seed. I like TB too, so maybe they can go on a little run. Rams are my 3rd choice. I guess my respect for Stafford outweighs my dislike of McVay. Although I actually didn’t mind that they lost to Carolina, so maybe I don’t care about them at all? Quote
Sports_Freak Posted December 1 Posted December 1 1 hour ago, sagnam said: No arguments there about needing help. If the Packers or some other annoying team like the 49ers stumble and the Lions back in, great. Anything can happen in the tournament, I guess. I just won’t have a rooting interest in other games based on how it affects the Lions. That ship has sailed for me with the pathetic showing the last few weeks. I hope the Bears win the NFC’s top seed. I like TB too, so maybe they can go on a little run. Rams are my 3rd choice. I guess my respect for Stafford outweighs my dislike of McVay. Although I actually didn’t mind that they lost to Carolina, so maybe I don’t care about them at all? I watched the Rams game. It was a really good game. Stafford with 3 turnovers was surprising. The Bears being the #1 NFC seed this late in the season is the surprise of the year. That Washington-Denver game last night was really good. Bo Nix is the real deal... 1 Quote
Hongbit Posted December 1 Posted December 1 14 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: Thats pretty much what he was saying. Win this week and win in Chicago. But we cant win our way out of it if Chicago wins every game until we play them. They're 2 games ahead of us, we need other teams to beat them. Chicago winning in Philly makes me wonder if theyll lose. The Bears have had the good fortune to have some of the worst teams in the NFL on their schedule. Vikings, Raiders, Giants, Bengals, Saints and Commanders. New Orleans was the only one of these losers they didn’t have to comeback late in the 4th quarter to beat. They are really close to being 5-7. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted December 2 Posted December 2 6 hours ago, Hongbit said: The Bears have had the good fortune to have some of the worst teams in the NFL on their schedule. Vikings, Raiders, Giants, Bengals, Saints and Commanders. New Orleans was the only one of these losers they didn’t have to comeback late in the 4th quarter to beat. They are really close to being 5-7. Beating the teams you're supposed to beat is the sign of a good team. Chicago will (may) be really good with a couple/few good drafts. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted December 2 Posted December 2 I'm watching parts of this Patriots game and can't believe Jahlani Tavai is still in the league. 1 Quote
Motown Bombers Posted Sunday at 06:57 PM Posted Sunday at 06:57 PM They’re saying it’s an Achilles. 1 Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted Sunday at 07:29 PM Posted Sunday at 07:29 PM I feel like I never heard of guys tearing their Achilles until a few years ago. I know Marino did it way back when, but I feel like since maybe Cousins tore his a few years ago it’s just been one after another. I can’t think of a more devastating injury to an athlete’s career. Not one you want to see at the rate we see it. Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted Sunday at 07:46 PM Posted Sunday at 07:46 PM Has anyone smarter than me done math on who we should be rooting for tonight? I know we want them to split. I think the Packers are better so intuitively I want the Bears to win, thinking this would be the one they would “steal.” But I’ll defer to analytics if they know better. Quote
StrangeBird Posted Sunday at 08:10 PM Posted Sunday at 08:10 PM 20 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: Has anyone smarter than me done math on who we should be rooting for tonight? I know we want them to split. I think the Packers are better so intuitively I want the Bears to win, thinking this would be the one they would “steal.” But I’ll defer to analytics if they know better. If the goal is making the playoffs (not necessarily winning the division), why would we want them to split the wins? The team that loses today hopefully loses again the next time they meet. The Lions need to pass one of those teams (though technically they could also pass one of the NFC West teams for a WC spot). The Bears are the weaker team, the team the Lions have the best chance of passing, especially since the Lions get to play them again, so it seems wise to root for the Bears to lose twice to the Packers (as gross as it is to root for the Packers). Quote
sagnam Posted Sunday at 08:16 PM Posted Sunday at 08:16 PM The worst OPI of the year took away a Colts TD. I vote we scrap pass interference and start over. Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted Sunday at 08:18 PM Posted Sunday at 08:18 PM 1 minute ago, StrangeBird said: If the goal is making the playoffs (not necessarily winning the division), why would we want them to split the wins? The team that loses today hopefully loses again the next time they meet. The Lions need to pass one of those teams (though technically they could also pass one of the NFC West teams for a WC spot). The Bears are the weaker team, the team the Lions have the best chance of passing, especially since the Lions get to play them again, so it seems wise to root for the Bears to lose twice to the Packers (as gross as it is to root for the Packers). If they split (or the Bears lose any one game) and the Lions go no worse than 2-1 against the Rams/Steelers/Vikings, we’ll have the chance to beat the Bears in week 18 and pass them via tiebreaker. Regardless of everything else. I know I’m the resident optimist, but with the Packers having to play the Broncos and Ravens in addition to the Bears twice, my eyes are still set on the division. But I could understand rooting for the Packers today (or at least hoping they win, FTP always) because it gives the Bears the one loss we need to catch them if we can win two of three. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted Sunday at 08:38 PM Posted Sunday at 08:38 PM 55 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: I feel like I never heard of guys tearing their Achilles until a few years ago. I know Marino did it way back when, but I feel like since maybe Cousins tore his a few years ago it’s just been one after another. I can’t think of a more devastating injury to an athlete’s career. Not one you want to see at the rate we see it. Achilles can be associated with PED use, so one possibility is there is stuff out there in use which is currently undetectable. The other theory is just that guys are trained to such insane levels and play so much harder in longer playoff added seasonsthat even the biggest ligament in the body can't take. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted Sunday at 08:55 PM Posted Sunday at 08:55 PM Lions have had their share of Achilles tears. Off the top of my head, Bryant Westbrook, Mikel Leshoure, Romeo Okwara and Tracy Walker. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted Sunday at 09:26 PM Posted Sunday at 09:26 PM What a weird season in the NFL. Neither the Chiefs or Ravens will likely make the playoffs at this point. Baltimore just lost to Pittsburgh. Who would have thought two AFC Championship and Super Bowl contending teams at the beginning of the season would be out of the playoffs by Week 13. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted Sunday at 09:27 PM Posted Sunday at 09:27 PM 30 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Lions have had their share of Achilles tears. Off the top of my head, Bryant Westbrook, Mikel Leshoure, Romeo Okwara and Tracy Walker. Martin Mayhew also drafted a WR with essentially no achilles tendon left in tact in Ryan Broyles. Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted Sunday at 11:19 PM Posted Sunday at 11:19 PM Bears cut it to within three. Quote
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