MichiganCardinal Posted October 6 Author Posted October 6 16 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Errr...what's dapped? 1 Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted October 6 Author Posted October 6 38 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: But but but but BEN JOHNSON!!! Quote
Jason_R Posted October 6 Posted October 6 Not a glowing endorsement of Manu, and a bit of an ominous report on Decker. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted October 6 Posted October 6 39-10 now with the Bengals win, but that loss against the Packers was who they are and not the nearly 50 game sample. Quote
sagnam Posted October 6 Posted October 6 2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: 39-10 now with the Bengals win, but that loss against the Packers was who they are and not the nearly 50 game sample. Said no one except maybe an unhinged Packers fan. 1 Quote
Motown Bombers Posted October 6 Posted October 6 13 minutes ago, sagnam said: Said no one except maybe an unhinged Packers fan. A lot of people were writing the Lions off because they lost Ben Johnson and that Packers game was proof. Quote
RandyMarsh Posted October 6 Posted October 6 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: People keep moving the goal posts. Last year when the Lions went 15-2 while being the most injured team in the league he got no recognition cause it was all Ben Johnson. This season people can't use the Ben Johnson excuse so they got to find a new one and it's the having the best supporting cast reason and being healthier than a team like the Bucs. Before the cast was only good because of Johnson and the offense was going to crater without him. People can't make up their minds. Edited October 6 by RandyMarsh Quote
Motown Bombers Posted October 6 Posted October 6 16 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: People keep moving the goal posts. Last year when the Lions went 15-2 while being the most injured team in the league he got no recognition cause it was all Ben Johnson. This season people can't use the Ben Johnson excuse so they got to find a new one and it's the having the best supporting cast reason and being healthier than a team like the Bucs. Before the cast was only good because of Johnson and the offense was going to crater without him. People can't make up their minds. I’m old enough to remember when his success was only because of McVay and Todd Gurley. Quote
RedRamage Posted October 6 Posted October 6 18 hours ago, holygoat said: Hutch not being aware enough to line up on-sides is having really bad consequences. Couldn't he see that his hand what on the blue line?!? Seriously though I saw that before the play started and I was thinking "crap, there's a free play." Then he gets a sack erased for it... at least he had only himself to blame for that one. Quote
RedRamage Posted October 6 Posted October 6 18 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: Raymond got hammered. Clean hit though... I thought at first he got helmet to helmet... with the flags thrown right after the hit that seemed to confirm it. But then the penalty was on the Lions and the replay showed it was a clean hit. Quote
RedRamage Posted October 6 Posted October 6 18 hours ago, StrangeBird said: Montgomery seems less effective than Gibbs so far. It seemed to me that whenever Monty was in the game that the defense keyed in on him. Like they knew it was his home coming and that the Lions wanted him to have a good game so they figured when he was in there he was getting the ball and the defense sold out on stopping him. To further this thought, I think the Lions took advantage of this on the Monty-Pass play. The defense keyed in on him to stop the run and then "oops, here's a TD pass." 1 Quote
RedRamage Posted October 6 Posted October 6 18 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: He may have put too much trust in his players because they were adamant it was a fumble. It almost was a fumble and I can see why the players thought that too. I also wanted him to challenge. The ball carrier was definitely on top of a Lion when the ball came out... it's just that his knee hit the ground BEFORE he rolled on top of the Lion player and lost control of the ball. Quote
RedRamage Posted October 6 Posted October 6 18 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: Seems a bit ticky-tack there 18 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: Arnold has to realize that they are watching him now. Yup and Yup. It's back to how it was at the beginning of last year: Arnold is "known" to grab players, therefore if it looks close, he's probably grabbing... might means he's getting flagged more, which means he's known as a grabber more, which means... Quote
sagnam Posted October 6 Posted October 6 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: A lot of people were writing the Lions off because they lost Ben Johnson and that Packers game was proof. No one with any sense wrote the Lions off. People after week one were saying that it was concerning. There was change. 2/5 of the oline and both coordinators. That never meant that people thought the Lions were going to be terrible. It was concerning. The expectations were high coming in. The oline was really bad yesterday after losing the 3rd guy from last year. That doesn’t mean it’s over. But it’s concerning for when they start playing good teams. It’s also possible the Lions make adjustments and the play is better. But it’s concerning. See how one can say something without using hyperbole? Being obnoxiously rosy retroactively doesn’t help with the conversions. And building your strawmen so you can blow them over is as bad as TP in game threads looking to fire everyone (no offense TP). At least he can say it’s all in the heat of the moment. You are systematically choosing to beat a fictional dead horse that only exists in your mind. No one rational is saying Goff is a product of the system except you setting up your arguments. Quote
4hzglory Posted October 6 Posted October 6 6 minutes ago, RedRamage said: Yup and Yup. It's back to how it was at the beginning of last year: Arnold is "known" to grab players, therefore if it looks close, he's probably grabbing... might means he's getting flagged more, which means he's known as a grabber more, which means... Pride of Detroit had an article that shows how much Arnold being in the lineup. They are the best defense in the league with him on the field and one of the worst with him off. He needs to know he's being watched by officials and hopefully clean that up, but he makes a huge positive impact . " Lions’ Week 5 defense with Terrion Arnold on the field (ranks are among 26 teams in Week 5 action so far): 44 plays 3 points allowed 4.1 yards per play (1st) 34.1% offensive success rate (1st) +0.34 EPA/play (1st) 3.9 yards/pass attempt (1st) 28.9 passer rating (1st) 2.3% explosive play rate (1st) 10.0% interception rate (2nd) Lions’ Week 5 defense without Terrion Arnold on the field: 14 plays 24 points allowed 10.1 yards per play (26th) 57.1% offensive success rate (24th) -0.80 EPA/play (26th) 13.3 yards/pass attempt (26th) 158.3 passer rating (26th) 21.4% explosive play rate (26th) 0.0% interception rate (t-9th)" "He’s now surrendered only 50 receiving yards combined over the past two games." 1 Quote
RedRamage Posted October 6 Posted October 6 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: A lot of people were writing the Lions off because they lost Ben Johnson and that Packers game was proof. A lot of people were questioning how much losing Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn would hurt the Lions, and the Packers game seemed to provide evidence that that might be true. No one was seriously writing off the Lions based on a single game except over-reactionary fans and talking heads on TV with the latest hot take. 1 Quote
Motown Bombers Posted October 6 Posted October 6 31 minutes ago, sagnam said: No one with any sense wrote the Lions off. People after week one were saying that it was concerning. There was change. 2/5 of the oline and both coordinators. That never meant that people thought the Lions were going to be terrible. It was concerning. The expectations were high coming in. The oline was really bad yesterday after losing the 3rd guy from last year. That doesn’t mean it’s over. But it’s concerning for when they start playing good teams. It’s also possible the Lions make adjustments and the play is better. But it’s concerning. See how one can say something without using hyperbole? Being obnoxiously rosy retroactively doesn’t help with the conversions. And building your strawmen so you can blow them over is as bad as TP in game threads looking to fire everyone (no offense TP). At least he can say it’s all in the heat of the moment. You are systematically choosing to beat a fictional dead horse that only exists in your mind. No one rational is saying Goff is a product of the system except you setting up your arguments. Not sure what rock you have been under, but the coaching brain drain from the Lions was a thing all off season by fans and media a like. The Packers game was the proof. I mean, if the Lions weren't written off there wouldn't be so many articles now about how they are back. I'm not being retroactively rosy. I was the only one here on this forum who supported Goff from the day the trade happened. I was literally harassed for like two years by KL2 because of it. Sorry, but I'm taking my victory lap now. Quote
sagnam Posted October 6 Posted October 6 5 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Not sure what rock you have been under, but the coaching brain drain from the Lions was a thing all off season by fans and media a like. The Packers game was the proof. I mean, if the Lions weren't written off there wouldn't be so many articles now about how they are back. I'm not being retroactively rosy. I was the only one here on this forum who supported Goff from the day the trade happened. I was literally harassed for like two years by KL2 because of it. Sorry, but I'm taking my victory lap now. What are you looking for? A sticker? We all know that you never had any doubts at all. Ever. Got it. That kind of blind confidence isn’t exactly the positive you think it is. I was wrong about Goff. I was wrong about Gibbs. I was wrong about Jack Campbell (or Dan after the helmet thing for that matter). So what? I don’t know what I’m talking about. Neither do you. We are both just fans. Chill with the arrogance. You actually make being a fan here harder with the drama. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted October 6 Posted October 6 2 minutes ago, sagnam said: What are you looking for? A sticker? We all know that you never had any doubts at all. Ever. Got it. That kind of blind confidence isn’t exactly the positive you think it is. I was wrong about Goff. I was wrong about Gibbs. I was wrong about Jack Campbell (or Dan after the helmet thing for that matter). So what? I don’t know what I’m talking about. Neither do you. We are both just fans. Chill with the arrogance. You actually make being a fan here harder with the drama. I'm not looking for anything from you. You replied to me. Use the ****ing ignore button if it's that bad for you. I don't give a ****. Quote
sagnam Posted October 6 Posted October 6 (edited) 45 minutes ago, RedRamage said: A lot of people were questioning how much losing Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn would hurt the Lions, and the Packers game seemed to provide evidence that that might be true. No one was seriously writing off the Lions based on a single game except over-reactionary fans and talking heads on TV with the latest hot take. And it was never about glorifying Ben Johnson. It was about questioning the unknown. Wondering if the transition from offensive assistant to offensive coordinator was going to work for Morton. That’s not a dig on him either, lots of people are good at one job and not at the next level. Nothing wrong with that at all. They are different jobs with different responsibilities. Take Schwartz for a Lions related example. Even if he never takes another head coaching job he is a terrific defensive coordinator. Was before the Lions and still is after. He was just an ok head coach. Had some pretty serious flaws but also had strengths. Edited October 6 by sagnam 1 Quote
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