Tiger337 Posted October 17 Author Posted October 17 4 minutes ago, Shades of Deivi Cruz said: The year before he came to the Tigers, Maeda was 6-8 with 117 Ks in 104 IP and a 1.2 WAR. Last year with the Giants, Verlander was 4-11 with 137 Ks in 155 IP and 1.2 WAR. OK, I thought you meant he performed the same way this year as Cobb/Maeda did when they were with the Tigers. I would have liked to have Verlander down the stretch, but he is not on my wish list for the future. Quote
Edman85 Posted October 17 Posted October 17 32 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: yes, cheap is a better word. Not the c word I had in mind, and I am not talking a derogatory slur towards women. Cheap is one way to describe it, but Lajoie and the Tigers were high practitioners in the art of collusion around that time. 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 17 Posted October 17 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Edman85 said: Not the c word I had in mind, and I am not talking a derogatory slur towards women. Cheap is one way to describe it, but Lajoie and the Tigers were high practitioners in the art of collusion around that time. that works too. Edited October 17 by gehringer_2 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 17 Posted October 17 31 minutes ago, casimir said: Hold on, let's be honest. Had Verlander been signed for $15M, a lot of folks would have been overjoyed. If Boyd had been signed for $15M, a lot of folks would have at best ambivalent to it, and more likely upset by it. The results on the field are all that matters. Not some random fans feelings... Quote
Tiger337 Posted October 17 Author Posted October 17 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Edman85 said: Not the c word I had in mind, and I am not talking a derogatory slur towards women. Cheap is one way to describe it, but Lajoie and the Tigers were high practitioners in the art of collusion around that time. Although the Tigers of that period had a reputation of being cheap prior to collusion, collusion is another c word which fits and it affected the Tigers more than other teams. Edited October 17 by Tiger337 Quote
casimir Posted October 17 Posted October 17 41 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: The results on the field are all that matters. Not some random fans feelings... I agree. But that's not my point. Rewind a year and tell me folks (including yourself) would prefer Boyd over Verlander at $15M. Bull****. Quote
4hzglory Posted October 17 Posted October 17 1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said: The results on the field are all that matters. Not some random fans feelings... So then the Tigers shouldn't have traded for any of the names you listed in your earlier post? 1 Quote
Edman85 Posted October 17 Posted October 17 1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said: The results on the field are all that matters. Not some random fans feelings... Says the guy who has copied and pasted the same article from a third rate publication multiple times saying the Tigers should have signed Bednar instead of Finnegan. 1 1 Quote
Edman85 Posted October 17 Posted October 17 (edited) Yikes, two typos in the above zinger... Acquired, not signed. And Helsely, not Bednar. Edited October 17 by Edman85 Quote
SeattleMike Posted October 17 Posted October 17 13 hours ago, papalawrence said: I think there will be a bidding war for Skubal. There are going to be several teams that are close to elite that will look at him as a potential huge piece. Of course he is that for the Tigers, too. It will be an interesting winter. I very much hope Detroit finds a way to sign him. I expect him to start in Det and if they are not in contention, he'll get traded at the deadline. Or he sticks to the end, and Det gets a comp pick. This has all been posted by several here. I'm just ruminating on it because trade speculation is all over social media My wife, just now, sent me a text asking why the Tigers traded Skubal to the Yankees. After a brief moment of panic I realized it was one of those dreadful internet proposed trades masquerading as a done deal. It's going to be a long offseason. 1 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 17 Posted October 17 5 hours ago, casimir said: I agree. But that's not my point. Rewind a year and tell me folks (including yourself) would prefer Boyd over Verlander at $15M. Bull****. I didn't want JV back last year or this year. No thanks. If he isn't washed up, he's close. I don't even think he would be in the top 7 of our starting pitchers. But I have no say it what Detroit does. Boyd? I started wanting him in 2024 when he came back from injury with Cleveland. Can you imagine Skubsl and Boyd in our starting rotation? I say we would have won the division for sure along with the bye. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 17 Posted October 17 5 hours ago, 4hzglory said: So then the Tigers shouldn't have traded for any of the names you listed in your earlier post? The Tigers should have aggressively gone after players to improve our team last winter, this trade deadline and this winter. No more of these broken down and washed up lottery ticket type players. The pitchers they brought in this trade deadline cost us a chance at the division and the bye week. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 17 Posted October 17 5 hours ago, Edman85 said: Says the guy who has copied and pasted the same article from a third rate publication multiple times saying the Tigers should have signed Bednar instead of Finnegan. Looking at the stats at the time of the trades? The Tigers only went after the cheapest and least desirable players they could find. Paddack? Really? A reject from a total bottom feeder of a team? I bet you were overjoyed that Harris hung onto 15 2nd base prospects. It gives you something to keep track of all summer...🤣🤣 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 17 Posted October 17 2 hours ago, Edman85 said: Yikes, two typos in the above zinger... Acquired, not signed. And Helsely, not Bednar. Your insults really don't make much difference. Going after the best possible players is all I want. Not looking at the results 2 months later and forming an opinion. At the time of the trades, every Tigers player they got had horrible stats. Yes, Finnegan worked out but how about Paddack and Morton? Their ineffectivness cost us any chance at the division. And those results were more predictable than players we didn't get falling off the table. Quote
4hzglory Posted October 17 Posted October 17 6 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Looking at the stats at the time of the trades? The Tigers only went after the cheapest and least desirable players they could find. Paddack? Really? A reject from a total bottom feeder of a team? I bet you were overjoyed that Harris hung onto 15 2nd base prospects. It gives you something to keep track of all summer...🤣🤣 But you just said only the results on the field matter. The results on the field show the Tigers got one of the best relievers traded and the only position players that performed better than who was on their team didn’t fit i.e Naylor. Quote
4hzglory Posted October 17 Posted October 17 4 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Your insults really don't make much difference. Going after the best possible players is all I want. Not looking at the results 2 months later and forming an opinion. At the time of the trades, every Tigers player they got had horrible stats. Yes, Finnegan worked out but how about Paddack and Morton? Their ineffectivness cost us any chance at the division. And those results were more predictable than players we didn't get falling off the table. And Maeda’s stats prior to signing were pretty good. Flaherty before first signing they weren’t and it worked great. This year his prior year numbers were really good and it didn’t work out as well (although his metrics were still good) I do wish the Tigers would have added Jax or Bednar to go with Finnegan and would have been willing to go big on Joe Ryan, but I’m glad they didn’t trade for Suarez (or Bednar) if it would have cost Melton. A number of people would like us to go after Cease (I’d be happy with that), but based on numbers and metrics, is he much different than Flaherty? Personally ,I’d like us to have both if we can keep Jack for the qualifying offer. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 17 Posted October 17 10 minutes ago, 4hzglory said: And Maeda’s stats prior to signing were pretty good. Flaherty before first signing they weren’t and it worked great. This year his prior year numbers were really good and it didn’t work out as well (although his metrics were still good) I do wish the Tigers would have added Jax or Bednar to go with Finnegan and would have been willing to go big on Joe Ryan, but I’m glad they didn’t trade for Suarez (or Bednar) if it would have cost Melton. A number of people would like us to go after Cease (I’d be happy with that), but based on numbers and metrics, is he much different than Flaherty? Personally ,I’d like us to have both if we can keep Jack for the qualifying offer. Yeah, Maeda fell off a cliff. Not too many saw that coming. His recent stats before we signed him weren't like the stats of Paddack or Morton. Their demise was totally predictable and like others have said, we woulda been better off without them. Even if they didn't cost very much. And keeping Melton was a no brainer, he has the chance to be very good. But it seems like we may have been able to offer some other player(s) maybe? Quote
Tigermojo Posted October 17 Posted October 17 3 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Yeah, Maeda fell off a cliff. Not too many saw that coming. His recent stats before we signed him weren't like the stats of Paddack or Morton. Their demise was totally predictable and like others have said, we woulda been better off without them. Even if they didn't cost very much. And keeping Melton was a no brainer, he has the chance to be very good. But it seems like we may have been able to offer some other player(s) maybe? Seems like other teams don't want the prospects we don't want. 2 Quote
Tiger337 Posted October 17 Author Posted October 17 1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said: I didn't want JV back last year or this year. No thanks. If he isn't washed up, he's close. I don't even think he would be in the top 7 of our starting pitchers. But I have no say it what Detroit does. Boyd? I started wanting him in 2024 when he came back from injury with Cleveland. Can you imagine Skubsl and Boyd in our starting rotation? I say we would have won the division for sure along with the bye. Then they can trade him for Torres. 1 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 17 Posted October 17 Suarez with a home run. He hit 13 home runs with Seattle after the trade while hitting under .200? Did any Tiger hit 13 home runs after the trade deadline? Maybe Riley? MTS is gonna blow up when the Tigers sign him...🤣🤣🤣 Quote
TigerNation Posted October 18 Posted October 18 4 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: Looking at the stats at the time of the trades? The Tigers only went after the cheapest and least desirable players they could find. Paddack? Really? A reject from a total bottom feeder of a team? I bet you were overjoyed that Harris hung onto 15 2nd base prospects. It gives you something to keep track of all summer...🤣🤣 What stats at the time of the trade are you looking at? You're not valuing them based on the production they had for another team. Quote
chasfh Posted October 18 Posted October 18 (edited) 11 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: The results on the field are all that matters. Not some random fans feelings... You have the best 20-20 hindsight of anyone I know. 😉 Edited October 18 by chasfh Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 18 Posted October 18 11 minutes ago, chasfh said: You have the best 20-20 hindsight of anyone I know. 😉 People who don't want a pitcher with a really good ERA because he didn't do as good as a pitcher with an ERA twice as high after being traded have much better hindsight. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 18 Posted October 18 41 minutes ago, TigerNation said: What stats at the time of the trade are you looking at? You're not valuing them based on the production they had for another team. Well, 3/4 of a season is much larger than 1/4 of a season. Or, in Paddack's case, his entire career is a large sample size. He was decent his rookie season but stunk up a storm for several seasons with a bottom feeding team. Nothing that screams "we gotta get some of that." 😅😅 Quote
chasfh Posted October 18 Posted October 18 13 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: People who don't want a pitcher with a really good ERA because he didn't do as good as a pitcher with an ERA twice as high after being traded have much better hindsight. Tell us the trade you think should have happened that we didn’t make happen. Quote
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