Deleterious Posted October 23 Author Posted October 23 32 minutes ago, buddha said: the weird thing is that they said pros were falling for it. you would figure a professional poker player could sniff something like that out pretty quickly. I'm not shocked at all. Bad players are like chum in the water for poker players. Quote
Deleterious Posted October 23 Author Posted October 23 Here is the interview with Matt Berkey. The interview is from 2 years ago, and he said this was 2019 when it happened. He flat out says the entire game was built around Chauncey Billups. Paul Pierce also sort of gets mentioned. It should start where he is talking about it. But if it doesn't skip to the 27m15s mark. Quote
Shinzaki Posted October 23 Posted October 23 The stuff coming out about players allegedly manipulating betting outcomes is...interesting... Quote
Deleterious Posted October 23 Author Posted October 23 Once again, the money isn't worth the risk. Remember during the Beasley stuff, I said you can't make enough money manipulating prop bets to make it worth the risk. Same thing here. The FBI said the Billups card games made around $7 million. He made $100 million in his playing career. He was set to make $4.7 million this year in Portland. What percent of that $7 million do you think he got? 10% tops? So he risked all this for $700 thousand? 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 23 Posted October 23 36 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Wild stuff! who manages to produces this kind of hardware without the details leaking? Or maybe that's what happened - Quote
buddha Posted October 23 Posted October 23 1 hour ago, Tigeraholic1 said: i get some of those, but others were just rozier missing shots. Quote
casimir Posted October 23 Posted October 23 1 hour ago, Deleterious said: Once again, the money isn't worth the risk. Remember during the Beasley stuff, I said you can't make enough money manipulating prop bets to make it worth the risk. Same thing here. The FBI said the Billups card games made around $7 million. He made $100 million in his playing career. He was set to make $4.7 million this year in Portland. What percent of that $7 million do you think he got? 10% tops? So he risked all this for $700 thousand? So, is he just incredibly stupid, or is there a whole lot of iceberg under the surface? Quote
buddha Posted October 23 Posted October 23 9 minutes ago, casimir said: So, is he just incredibly stupid, or is there a whole lot of iceberg under the surface? stupid and greedy. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 23 Posted October 23 10 minutes ago, casimir said: So, is he just incredibly stupid, or is there a whole lot of iceberg under the surface? I guess it's just the thrill of pulling it off. Quote
Deleterious Posted October 23 Author Posted October 23 Talk about foreshadowing. From his post game press conference last night. Quote
Deleterious Posted October 23 Author Posted October 23 Hold on. They caught it the day of and pulled him for the rest of the year? That is interesting because that summer he was traded to Miami. I wonder if the Heat knew about this. Quote
oblong Posted October 23 Posted October 23 37 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I guess it's just the thrill of pulling it off. Tiger Woods banging waitresses in parking lots Quote
Hongbit Posted October 24 Posted October 24 I don’t think it’s a thrill. I think it’s a Superman complex that has them believe they can do things that normal people can’t. If a person truly believes they can never get caught, there is no perceived risk. Quote
Deleterious Posted October 24 Author Posted October 24 My guess would be the mob got their hooks into him over something. Gambling debt, video of him banging a Laker Girl, whatever. 1 Quote
oblong Posted October 24 Posted October 24 This is why the whole legal/official gambling and pro sports cross pollination stinks. This stuff doesn’t exist in a vacuum. There’s many ways to both incur and pay a debt. I’m glad I am capable of not caring about money. 1 Quote
buddha Posted October 24 Posted October 24 this stuff went on for years before gambling was legalized in america. it goes on all over the world all the time. and has forever. every once in a while you get players who make it obvious or someone gets caught and snitches. but this has little to do with fanduel. 1 Quote
oblong Posted October 24 Posted October 24 Well yeah no **** it went on before. I didn’t suggest otherwise. My point wasn’t intended to be about these particular incidents. Im talking about the culture of gambling itself. why make it easier for people and practically sanction it and promote it? It’s an impossible goal to eradicate harmful behavior but it should still something that’s not considered socially acceptable and definitely not part of leagues official business. It’s disingenuous to heavily promote something for the fans that the participants can’t do. Gambling can an addiction I see no practical difference between a player who bets through a bookie or through one of the “real” sites. For any sport. Once they get in that world bad things can happen and it affects the fans perception of the integrity. But who knows. Maybe that doesn’t matter. Maybe they can start bets on whether a game is fixed. As long as theres money to be made by a corporation and some college kid things he can score then it’s all good. but believing that there’s still some iron curtain between legalized gambling and the underworld that Chauncey was a part of is like believing that stripper is just doing it to pay for nursing school and would NEVER go further or that the owner isn’t peddling in underage stuff. If it makes you feel better go ahead and believe it. Quote
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