11/5/25 7:00PM Jazz @ Piston

[Tigeraholic1]

Little Caesars Arena - Detroit, MI

Watch: FanDual Det

[Deleterious]

Hate to see guys get hurt in a contract year.

 

[Deleterious]

I cant believe a team starts Svi.

 

[buddha]

a team trying to lose?

[Sports_Freak]

"Good evening and welcome to another exciting evening of NBA basketball."

George Blaha is a Detroit legend.

[Deleterious]

Of course Svi scores 8 of Utah's first 12 points.

[buddha]

typical piston/cade sleepwalk through the first half.

[Sports_Freak]

Stewart set that guy up. Lurked and waited for the guy to put it up. Moved quickly and swatted it away. Beautiful.

[Deleterious]

Utah on the back end of a back to back in Detroit. These are the type of games you should blow them out.

[Deleterious]

Duren is such a lazy rebounder.  Nurkic just reached over the top of Duren to get that offensive rebound.  All because Duren never puts a body on anyone.

[Deleterious]

 

[buddha]

their schedule is incredibly easy until around xmas.

[Shinzaki]

Great game for Duren 22p 22reb...

[Betrayer]

I love the winning. I love the defense. AND I'm concerned about this team.

They're near the bottom of the league FT percentage, 3pt percentage, and 3pt attempts. That's bad math for 2025 where you're fighting for a small lead taking twos and the other team can erase it in seconds with a couple of threes.

And for a team that takes mostly two point shots, they're also shockingly near the bottom of the league in 2pt percentage. They miss a ton of shots right at the rim. They also foul more than almost any other team.

Outside of transition buckets and Cade's 4th quarter heroics, their offense ranges between pretty shaky and absolutely terrible.

There's 2 ways to look at it. Either these numbers continue and they're going to regress to a team fighting to stay around .500 or this is a good sign that when these things inevitably (hopefully?) improve they're going to be dominant.

So, is the glass half full or half empty? As someone who's naturally skeptical and cynical, I'm concerned but enjoying the ride.

[Sports_Freak]

1 hour ago, Betrayer said:

I love the winning. I love the defense. AND I'm concerned about this team.

They're near the bottom of the league FT percentage, 3pt percentage, and 3pt attempts. That's bad math for 2025 where you're fighting for a small lead taking twos and the other team can erase it in seconds with a couple of threes.

And for a team that takes mostly two point shots, they're also shockingly near the bottom of the league in 2pt percentage. They miss a ton of shots right at the rim. They also foul more than almost any other team.

Outside of transition buckets and Cade's 4th quarter heroics, their offense ranges between pretty shaky and absolutely terrible.

There's 2 ways to look at it. Either these numbers continue and they're going to regress to a team fighting to stay around .500 or this is a good sign that when these things inevitably (hopefully?) improve they're going to be dominant.

So, is the glass half full or half empty? As someone who's naturally skeptical and cynical, I'm concerned but enjoying the ride.

I would say it's all the running. The Pistons rarely use the allotted shot clock time. So quicker shots means more possessions. I don't know the stats but do they take way more shots than league average? That would be an interesting statistic. I don't think Stew should be shooting 3 pointers, against Utah, he had back to back misses. Drives me crazy. Sure, he may be working on the 3 pointers and maybe he's getting better but....just stop it!! It reminds me of something Jim Leyland said once...he hated to see a little slap hitter hit a home run because then he kept swinging for the fences. And that's not his game. Stewart's game shouldn't be hoisted up 3 pointers. Just an opinion.

[4hzglory]

9 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

I would say it's all the running. The Pistons rarely use the allotted shot clock time. So quicker shots means more possessions. I don't know the stats but do they take way more shots than league average? That would be an interesting statistic. I don't think Stew should be shooting 3 pointers, against Utah, he had back to back misses. Drives me crazy. Sure, he may be working on the 3 pointers and maybe he's getting better but....just stop it!! It reminds me of something Jim Leyland said once...he hated to see a little slap hitter hit a home run because then he kept swinging for the fences. And that's not his game. Stewart's game shouldn't be hoisted up 3 pointers. Just an opinion.

Small sample size, (but not as small as 2 possessions in 1 game) but Stewart is shooting 39.3% so far on 3.5 3 point shots/game.  It seems based on that he should keep shooting.

[4hzglory]

1 minute ago, 4hzglory said:

Small sample size, (but not as small as 2 possessions in 1 game) but Stewart is shooting 39.3% so far on 3.5 3 point shots/game.  It seems based on that he should keep shooting.

By comparison, of the regulars, that is only below Robinson who is 40.4%.  3rd is Green at 35%

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said:

he had back to back misses. Drives me crazy. S

Your scale of reference is a little tough. Even a 40% 3pt shooter is going to miss two in a row 36% of the time.

[4hzglory]

9 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

 Even a 40% 3pt shooter is going to miss two in a row 36% of the time.

Which is basically what Stewart has been this year.  (SSS alert)

[Sports_Freak]

2 hours ago, 4hzglory said:

Small sample size, (but not as small as 2 possessions in 1 game) but Stewart is shooting 39.3% so far on 3.5 3 point shots/game.  It seems based on that he should keep shooting.

Well, thats pretty good. I just see him as a rebounder, shot blocker and defense first kinda player. He did make a few big 3 pointers in the Utah game. And TBH, I'm always happy when he makes them. 🤣🤣

[Betrayer]

I actually trust Stew's three more than most of the other players on the team. Not only that, I think it's critical that we have a big who can space. So, I'm cool with him getting them up there. In comparison to the rest of the teams in the league we take a very low percentage of our shots from three. Like it or not (and I don't), the math bears out that taking more threes - even though you'll miss a higher percentage of them than twos - is advantageous.

[buddha]

teams are letting stewart shoot 3s.  if he keeps making them, they may actually try to guard him out there.

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, Betrayer said:

. Like it or not (and I don't), the math bears out that taking more threes - even though you'll miss a higher percentage of them than twos - is advantageous.

right. Ignoring turnover percentage, a good NBA shooter hit's close to 40% on 3s, which is 1.2 points per possession. If you are going to shoot a 2, it has to be 60% shot to equal the same 1.2 PPP. When the trey came into the league, the better shooters hit them at about 30%, which is more like 1 PPP, which wasn't that much different from their team's regular offense. So the increase from 30% to 40% success rate on threes becoming common has completely remade the game.

I'll tell you what might be fun though, take the line off the court. Then the players would just have to judge where they are on the shot (of course that's still easy on the baseline....). Let a computerized scoring system instantly credit the point if the shot was actually long enough. I would guess that one of the things that has allowed the 3 point make percentage to climb over the years is that the line eliminates the need for the player to judge his distance to the hoop all that well, he just has to develop muscle memory shooting from the line. Take away the line and that would add back a layer of added mental difficulty. 🏀

Edited yesterday at 02:13 AM by gehringer_2

[Betrayer]

3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

right. Ignoring turnover percentage, a good NBA shooter hit's close to 40% on 3s, which is 1.2 points per possession. If you are going to shoot a 2, it has to be 60% shot to equal the same 1.2 PPP. When the trey came into the league, the better shooters hit them at about 30%, which is more like 1 PPP, which wasn't that much different from their team's regular offense. So the increase from 30% to 40% success rate on threes becoming common has completely remade the game.

I'll tell you what might be fun though, take the line off the court. Then the players would just have to judge where they are on the shot (of course that's still easy on the baseline....). Let a computerized scoring system instantly credit the point if the shot was actually long enough. I would guess that one of the things that has allowed the 3 point make percentage to climb over the years is that the line eliminates the need for the player to judge his distance to the hoop all that well, he just has to develop muscle memory shooting from the line. Take away the line and that would add back a layer of added mental difficulty. 🏀

That's a fun concept.

Personally, I'd just like the corner three eliminated. Keep the line at the 23' 9" until it runs off the edge of the court.