CMRivdogs Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago A bit disheartening but not unexpected. The way the state constitution is written negates any effort to copy the true gerrymandering of MAGA states Quote
RatkoVarda Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago this is now fully baked into just about every level of government and also into most people's personal morality: Democrats must always follow the rules (of law, of decorum, of tradition, of stare decisis) MAGA cannot be held to any standard (we will do what we want, whenever we want, don't even question us) 1 Quote
Motown Bombers Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago This is what happens when people don’t vote for Hillary Clinton. Quote
RatkoVarda Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago this is perfect picture from 1962 (except is was yesterday) 1 Quote
guy incognito Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 26 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: this is now fully baked into just about every level of government and also into most people's personal morality: Democrats must always follow the rules (of law, of decorum, of tradition, of stare decisis) MAGA cannot be held to any standard (we will do what we want, whenever we want, don't even question us) “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” —Frank Wilhoit 2 1 Quote
chasfh Posted 1 hour ago Author Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, romad1 said: BURN THIS MUTHA DOWN The question is whether they can get Democrat voters to just throw their hands up and quit, thus ceding permanent ruling power to the Trump regime, versus being energized and fighting against it. Honestly, I have no inclination on which one I would put my money on. Quote
chasfh Posted 1 hour ago Author Posted 1 hour ago 58 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: This is what happens when people don’t vote for Hillary Clinton. If Hillary had won, Trump would have won in 2020. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Just now, chasfh said: If Hillary had won, Trump would have won in 2020. No he wouldn’t. The Republicans would have seen him as a terrible candidate who blew their chance to defeat a weak Democrat. According to Michael Cohen, Trump only ran as a PR stunt because he was going broke, only Americans were dumb enough to elect him. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Even if Trump wins in 2020, we would have been set up with a liberal Supreme Court for a generation. Quote
Tiger337 Posted 51 minutes ago Posted 51 minutes ago 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: This is what happens when people don’t vote for Hillary Clinton. Get over it. She lost an election which should have been an easy victory. She campaigned poorly. Her fault. 1 Quote
chasfh Posted 41 minutes ago Author Posted 41 minutes ago 27 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: No he wouldn’t. The Republicans would have seen him as a terrible candidate who blew their chance to defeat a weak Democrat. According to Michael Cohen, Trump only ran as a PR stunt because he was going broke, only Americans were dumb enough to elect him. Trump definitely would have won, because he definitely would have run again and Hillary would have taken the blame for the virus. Quote
GalagaGuy Posted 33 minutes ago Posted 33 minutes ago 13 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Get over it. She lost an election which should have been an easy victory. She campaigned poorly. Her fault. Hillary lost while getting 3 million more votes than Trump. The reason she lost is because of razor thin margins in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan. Prior to the election, bitter Bernie bros were all over the internet telling us how they were going to vote third party and that's exactly what they did. Take a few minutes to look at the historic rise in third party votes along with the margin of victory in those states and it becomes clear exactly who is to blame for Trump getting elected. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted 23 minutes ago Posted 23 minutes ago 6 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said: Hillary lost while getting 3 million more votes than Trump. The reason she lost is because of razor thin margins in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan. Prior to the election, bitter Bernie bros were all over the internet telling us how they were going to vote third party and that's exactly what they did. Take a few minutes to look at the historic rise in third party votes along with the margin of victory in those states and it becomes clear exactly who is to blame for Trump getting elected. Which is why for at at least the past 50 years the winner take all distribution of the Electoral College needs to change. I’m all for proportional splits. TBH I haven’t done the math, but I think it’s more fair Quote
GalagaGuy Posted 20 minutes ago Posted 20 minutes ago To add some numbers, here are the third party voting totals for Michigan ...... 2008 - 80,548 2012 - 51,136 2016 - 250,902 2020 - 85,410 2024 - 111,017 You'll see the same pattern if you look at Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. As a reminder, Trump won Michigan in 2016 by 10,704 votes. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted 18 minutes ago Posted 18 minutes ago 32 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Get over it. She lost an election which should have been an easy victory. She campaigned poorly. Her fault. She got more votes than Trump. It's never the voters fault. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted 16 minutes ago Posted 16 minutes ago 23 minutes ago, chasfh said: Trump definitely would have won, because he definitely would have run again and Hillary would have taken the blame for the virus. He may have run, but he probably doesn't make it through the primary a second time. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted 14 minutes ago Posted 14 minutes ago 4 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said: To add some numbers, here are the third party voting totals for Michigan ...... 2008 - 80,548 2012 - 51,136 2016 - 250,902 2020 - 85,410 2024 - 111,017 You'll see the same pattern if you look at Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. As a reminder, Trump won Michigan in 2016 by 10,704 votes. I wonder if they are happy with their protest votes? I wonder if there are any Florida voters who admit to voting for Ralph Nader? Quote
Tiger337 Posted 7 minutes ago Posted 7 minutes ago 10 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: She got more votes than Trump. It's never the voters fault. But failed to campaign aggressively in some key states. 1 Quote
Motown Bombers Posted 1 minute ago Posted 1 minute ago 5 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: But failed to campaign aggressively in some key states. So if she visited Michigan a couple more times, that changes everything? The voters are just blameless victims. Quote
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