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[Motown Bombers]

6 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Harris was the cipher of a vice president that every modern VP outside of Cheney has been. Even J.D. Couch****er is a big zero as far as that goes, no matter how loud he becomes or how many news cycles he hijacks. There is almost nothing in their vice presidency a candidate can point to and say that makes them qualified to be president, and Harris was no exception.

 Biden was the reason Obamacare got passed. Biden is the sole reason for Obama’s crowning achievement. 

[chasfh]

2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 Biden was the reason Obamacare got passed. Biden is the sole reason for Obama’s crowning achievement. 

Granted.

[Tiger337]

Biden should have been President and Obama VP from 2008-2016.  Then Obama should have run in 2016.  Obama is very smart, but may not have been ready for the presidency.  Biden was unimpressive intellectually, but knew how to work with Congress.  Biden was too old and senile at the end and a more experienced Obama would have been a better choice at that time.   

[Motown Bombers]

Biden should have ran in 2016 but Obama backstabbed him to clear the deck for Clinton. 

[CMRivdogs]

Anyone remember when the Grand Old Pedo Party championed “Family Values”

 

[romad1]

3 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Anyone remember when the Grand Old Pedo Party championed “Family Values”

 

But the cowboy hat!

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

Biden should have been President and Obama VP from 2008-2016.  Then Obama should have run in 2016.  Obama is very smart, but may not have been ready for the presidency.  Biden was unimpressive intellectually, but knew how to work with Congress.  Biden was too old and senile at the end and a more experienced Obama would have been a better choice at that time.   

FEIW, I don’t think Biden was clinically senile at the end. 

[Tiger337]

Just now, chasfh said:

FEIW, I don’t think Biden was clinically senile at the end. 

Not clinically, but he was very much in decline from his peak.  I don't know how far he fell between the end of his presidency and that debate, but that debate was uncomfortably embarrassing.  Trump was embarrassing too but being embarrassing is his baseline and his followers don't care anyway.   

[CMRivdogs]

Biden with only half a mind would still be better than Trump’s “genius” brains

[oblong]

He slowed down physically, and visually in terms of performance, but I am not convinced he couldn't do the job.  The mind is what matters and I wasn't there and I don't trust the media or staff members to give us an honest account.

But politically that stuff does matter and difficult conversations should have been had earlier.

[gehringer_2]

4 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

 Biden was the reason Obamacare got passed. Biden is the sole reason for Obama’s crowning achievement. 

I would say that by the std of what a hopeless role it is, Biden and Gore both had pretty successful vice-presidencies - Biden didn't run, Gore lost his White House bid.  GHWB did win a Presidency from the VP but he had a really long resume prior, was well known pre-VP -- maybe even better than Biden was.

You can blame the press for some of Harris' problem - no doubt the MSM had their head up their butts through most of the Biden presidency, but whose fault it was is pretty much beside the point, it justs add to the premise that from 2020 t0 2024 Harris was not able to do much to build/burnish a public profile sufficient to help put her on a path to a win.

Edited 5 minutes ago by gehringer_2

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Biden should have ran in 2016 but Obama backstabbed him to clear the deck for Clinton. 

Obama seems like a great guy, is a good campaigner and better orator, but his judgement as a political operative, party manager/leader was never in the same league with this other skills.