POLITICS SCHMALITICS

[LaceyLou]

I always forget that RI doesn't have a bottle bill-making it and NH the only 2 New England states without one. 

[oblong]

I hate the bottle return. It’s a racket. I just throw them in the recycle bin.  I used to save them for charity groups but I drink so much beer I got tired of storing them.  Half of the cans aren’t accepted by the machine. There is a guy who comes by on garbage day and gets them out of my bin. Between my neighbor and me he does well.  

[romad1]

16 minutes ago, oblong said:

I hate the bottle return. It’s a racket. I just throw them in the recycle bin.  I used to save them for charity groups but I drink so much beer I got tired of storing them.  Half of the cans aren’t accepted by the machine. There is a guy who comes by on garbage day and gets them out of my bin. Between my neighbor and me he does well.  

Recycling here is quite simple.  We put the bottles and cans in a special bin and they take them away.  I wish glass was part of that but for some reason its much harder. 

[gehringer_2]

30 minutes ago, oblong said:

I hate the bottle return. It’s a racket. I just throw them in the recycle bin.  I used to save them for charity groups but I drink so much beer I got tired of storing them.  Half of the cans aren’t accepted by the machine. There is a guy who comes by on garbage day and gets them out of my bin. Between my neighbor and me he does well.  

Do you remember before it came in? I remember the reduction in broken glass everywhere was striking. Of course that was before there was much organized glass recycling either. Things might not go back to as bad as they were - maybe.

[oblong]

37 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Do you remember before it came in? I remember the reduction in broken glass everywhere was striking. Of course that was before there was much organized glass recycling either. Things might not go back to as bad as they were - maybe.

I don’t really remember. But I suspect we produce less glass beverages today and our habits have changed.  Even when I was a kid in the 80s we drank our pop out of glass bottles.  My dad picked them up by the cases every Saturday. From the “pop store”

[Dan Gilmore]

I think Oregon was one of the first states to do it. Ten cents-still going strong. We have bottle drop locations too-they give you branded plastic bags and QR code labels to attach. Drive to the site, put your bag in the chute and the money gets deposited in your account, which can be redeemed at grocery stores or directed to charities. 

[The Ronz]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

Do you remember before it came in? I remember the reduction in broken glass everywhere was striking.

Yes!

I believe the law started in 1978 and broken glass - which was everywhere - virtually disappeared overnight.

Prior to the bottle return law if you fell on public property - park, school, etc. - you didn't get hurt from the impact - you got cut - sometimes quite badly - by broken glass.

The reason there was so much broken glass everywhere is prior to the bottle law if you happened to find a glass bottle anywhere you picked it up and threw it against the hardest surface available until it shattered and simply walked away.

I have no idea why that was done but it was.

Once the bottle return law was passed, you never saw a glass bottle or broken glass anywhere ever again.

[romad1]

I do remember the broken glass.  A Boone's Farm party starter bottle tossed casually after being emptied. 

 

[chasfh]

I vaguely remember when the bottle deposit law went into effect. (I also vaguely remember when pop can tabs went from removable to attached, which annoyed me because we couldn’t have fun helicoptering them at people anymore.) I do remember being excited by the possibility of finding cans on the ground and turning them in for free money, and then never being able to find any cans in the first place because people started hoarding them right away, so, yet another political promise broken. 

[chasfh]

15 hours ago, oblong said:

I don’t really remember. But I suspect we produce less glass beverages today and our habits have changed.  Even when I was a kid in the 80s we drank our pop out of glass bottles.  My dad picked them up by the cases every Saturday. From the “pop store”

 

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

I do remember the broken glass.  A Boone's Farm party starter bottle tossed casually after being emptied. 

 

Apropos of this video, i will always regret not taking to opportunity when I was in a position to ask Norman Lear about this song. I have always wondered whether it was meant as cultural criticism—Glenn Miller, the Hit Parade, working class nostalgia for things like Herbert Hoover and pre-welfare America were all famously lowbrow cultural items. But when I was in proximity and could have asked, I blanked out.

I had a similar opportunity to ask Rob Reiner and did not get to the mic to do so.

I guess we’ll never know for sure.

Edited July 4 by chasfh

[romad1]

2 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Apropos of this video, i will always regret not taking to opportunity when I was in a position to ask Norman Lear about this song. I have always wondered whether it was meant as cultural criticism—Glenn Miller, the Hit Parade, working class nostalgia for things like Herbert Hoover and pre-welfare America were all famously lowbrow cultural items. But when I was in proximity and could have asked, I blanked out.

I had a similar opportunity to ask Rob Reiner and did not get to the mic to do so.

I guess we’ll never know for sure.

Nostalgia was a big deal in the mid 1970s.  My Mad Magazine told me as much.  

[gehringer_2]

24 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Apropos of this video, i will always regret not taking to opportunity when I was in a position to ask Norman Lear about this song. I have always wondered whether it was meant as cultural criticism—Glenn Miller, the Hit Parade, working class nostalgia for things like Herbert Hoover and pre-welfare America were all famously lowbrow cultural items. But when I was in proximity and could have asked, I blanked out.

I had a similar opportunity to ask Rob Reiner and did not get to the mic to do so.

I guess we’ll never know for sure.

you assume he would have told you the truth. I've a persistent impression that AITF was a much more cynical commercial exercise than Lear ever admitted to the liberal side of this audience.

[CMRivdogs]

AITF was the American adaption of a British series Til Death Do Us Part. The premise is almost exactly the same. Working class families with a very conservative head, liberal son in law, spouses were about the same as well.

The only real differences were time frames. Til Death Do Us Part dealt  with Post WWII Great Britain, unions, immigration, politics. All in the Family focused on the late 60s early 70s issues, Viet Nam, racism, feminism, etc

I think Lear probably had to be a bit cynical to insure some comedic value

 

[romad1]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

 

My Dad did this too.  And after picking it up on Friday night, by Saturday morning all that pop was gone

[oblong]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

 

It was not a towne club store but he got towne club there. At some point he switched to Pepsi and Tab. Every Saturday it was the routine.  Filled up the trunk and back seats.   I like to romanticize that for Canadians it’s similar to “the beer store” trips. 

[romad1]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

It was not a towne club store but he got towne club there. At some point he switched to Pepsi and Tab. Every Saturday it was the routine.  Filled up the trunk and back seats.   I like to romanticize that for Canadians it’s similar to “the beer store” trips. 

And by Saturday night all that beer was gone. 

[chasfh]

6 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

you assume he would have told you the truth. I've a persistent impression that AITF was a much more cynical commercial exercise than Lear ever admitted to the liberal side of this audience.

I don't assume anything, but apparently you do. 😉 

I simply rue having the chance to ask him and then spacing out given the opportunity.

[gehringer_2]

7 hours ago, chasfh said:

I don't assume anything, but apparently you do. 😉 

I simply rue having the chance to ask him and then spacing out given the opportunity.

Norman Lear is just a guy I've never had much use for - artistically or otherwise. - overrated IMHO. Of course YMMV.

[chasfh]

14 hours ago, romad1 said:

Nostalgia was a big deal in the mid 1970s.  My Mad Magazine told me as much.  

I remember the nostalgia craze for the 50s—that was during the 70s—but i also remember the nostalgia craze for the 20s, which was during the 60s. You can still hear it if you can locate a Harper’s Bizarre album, or when you listen to Paul McCartney warble Your Mother Should Know or Honey Pie.

[gehringer_2]

6 hours ago, chasfh said:

I remember the nostalgia craze for the 50s—that was during the 70s—but i also remember the nostalgia craze for the 20s, which was during the 60s. You can still hear it if you can locate a Harper’s Bizarre album, or when you listen to Paul McCartney warble Your Mother Should Know or Honey Pie.

"When I'm 64"

[romad1]

8 hours ago, chasfh said:

I remember the nostalgia craze for the 50s—that was during the 70s—but i also remember the nostalgia craze for the 20s, which was during the 60s. You can still hear it if you can locate a Harper’s Bizarre album, or when you listen to Paul McCartney warble Your Mother Should Know or Honey Pie.

[insert meme of Homer Simpson saying “They weren’t all Happy Days, though…”]

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

"When I'm 64"

Good one! Also, Martha My Dear. Even Maxwell’s Silver Hammer. Paul called these his “granny music” songs. Or maybe it was John who derisively referred to them that way. can’t remember. Either way, there. 

[CMRivdogs]

6 hours ago, chasfh said:

Good one! Also, Martha My Dear. Even Maxwell’s Silver Hammer. Paul called these his “granny music” songs. Or maybe it was John who derisively referred to them that way. can’t remember. Either way, there. 

Sounds more like Lennon. Most of Paul's stuff is fairly mainline

[guy incognito]

15 hours ago, chasfh said:

I remember the nostalgia craze for the 50s—that was during the 70s—but i also remember the nostalgia craze for the 20s, which was during the 60s. You can still hear it if you can locate a Harper’s Bizarre album, or when you listen to Paul McCartney warble Your Mother Should Know or Honey Pie.

“Something Happened to Me Yesterday” by the Stones, a lot of Ray Davies’ stuff with the Kinks, etc.