lordstanley Posted June 9 Posted June 9 (edited) Larkin may not want to play in Canada and he probably wouldn’t like the Montreal microscope, but the Habs have a need and they have assets. Such as assets they had been willing to part with for Knies. Edited June 9 by lordstanley Quote
Jason_R Posted June 9 Posted June 9 23 minutes ago, lordstanley said: Larkin may not want to play in Canada and he probably wouldn’t like the Montreal microscope, but the Habs have a need and they have assets. Such as assets they had been willing to part with for Knies. If Larkin could not cut it in Detroit, I cannot imagine him cutting it in Canada, with the fishbowl of the Canada hockey press. These people are already out to get the members of team USA who are playing on Canadian teams. They would tear Larkin apart. I also can’t imagine that Stevie has any interest in sending him to the east, though you have to assume that if the deal is Lundell and 9OA, it would be considered. I also have a hard time thinking that Vegas wants Larkin as much as he wants them. I think it will come down to Minnesota with a third team involved, or one of the upstarts in the west. Like San Jose, Anaheim, or Utah. Quote
Hongbit Posted June 9 Posted June 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, buddha said: you talk about him like he's not a team legend and he's just an ordinary, regular ol' nhl gm. if anything, he'd move upstairs. You are probably right that I’m foolishly expecting Chris to hold his GM responsible for results like what happens in 95% of pro sports organizations. Edited June 9 by Hongbit 1 Quote
Jason_R Posted June 9 Posted June 9 (edited) Remember, Mr. I, God bless him, pushed all his chips in on the Tigers too and left both teams crapped out. People are saying that Stevie is only still here because of his legacy as a player, but they get it backwards. Only his legacy as a player has afforded him the time to rebuild a franchise that, at its low, had the third worst points percentage in modern NHL history, behind the expansion Atlanta Thrashers. He hasn’t been perfect but we lose sight of how historically awful the Wings got. Edited June 9 by Jason_R Quote
buddha Posted June 9 Posted June 9 45 minutes ago, Hongbit said: You are probably right that I’m foolishly expecting Chris to hold his GM responsible for results like what happens in 95% of pro sports organizations. Sportsblog articles i agree with the snark behind your statement, and i agree with the literalness in your statement. i think yzerman has done a poor job and deserves to be fired. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 9 Posted June 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, buddha said: you talk about him like he's not a team legend and he's just an ordinary, regular ol' nhl gm. if anything, he'd move upstairs. and then he'd bolt like Holland did when some one gets the real job? Trammell was a legend, Joe Schmidt was a legend, Frank Robinson and Ted Williams and Yogi Berra were legends, they all got fired from management gigs.It only gets you so far. Owners are gonna owner. Edited June 9 by gehringer_2 Quote
buddha Posted June 9 Posted June 9 2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: and then he'd bolt like Holland did when some one gets the real job? Trammell was a legend, Joe Schmidt was a legend, Frank Robinson and Ted Williams and Yogi Berra were legends, they all got fired from management gigs.It only gets you so far. how many of those teams were owned by chris illitch? Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 9 Posted June 9 1 minute ago, buddha said: how many of those teams were owned by chris illitch? Sure - It's true Chris I and Yzerman go back a long way, a lot further than most but even that will only go so far. Teams that lose are a big ego downer for billionaires. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 9 Posted June 9 33 minutes ago, Jason_R said: Remember, Mr. I, God bless him, pushed all his chips in on the Tigers too and left both teams crapped out. People are saying that Stevie is only still here because of his legacy as a player, but they get it backwards. Only his legacy as a player has afforded him the time to rebuild a franchise that, at its low, had the third worst points percentage in modern NHL history, behind the expansion Atlanta Thrashers. He hasn’t been perfect but we lose sight of how historically awful the Wings got. while the saying is apparently not true that the Chinese ideograph for 'crisis' is 'danger' plus 'opportunity', it applies in this case. The Wings are in a stuck place, Yzerman needs a deep move that can make a bigger impact on the roster than anything on the horizon. Heck - a major move for young talent make so much sense for the Wings, maybe Yzerman should have been playing 4 dimensional chess trying to get Larking to ask to be traded. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted June 10 Posted June 10 8 hours ago, buddha said: you talk about him like he's not a team legend and he's just an ordinary, regular ol' nhl gm. if anything, he'd move upstairs. Yeah, they're not firing Yzerman. He's getting the Jim Develano treatment and taking over some other role, like Team President, if a new GM is ever brought in. Quote
buddha Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Prashanth's preferred REASONABLE larkin trade: larkin to utah for denoyers, a 2027 top ten protected first, and a 2027 third. that's realistic. hopefully they could get more, but i doubt it. a top center prospect and a first round pick. maybe get them to throw in a bottom six forward for depth. 1 Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Make it not top-ten protected and I don't hate the deal. 1 Quote
Jason_R Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Reports on the one hand are that Stevie is not going to be rushed into trading Larkin. Reports on the other hand are that Kane is now weighing his options after having appeared eager to return. If Kane goes, is that a second domino that might knock ADB out of Detroit for his next contract? I think it is urgent for Steve to make this trade before or at the draft. It is encouraging to hear that Minnesota, Florida, Dallas, and maybe SJ, Anaheim, Vegas, and Utah are in the picture. The trade Iyer sketched out is reasonable and if Yzerman gets that offer he should take it. The one thing Steve can’t do s to sit around and wait for a perfect deal, especially if he is doing it to spite Larkin. I don’t know if there was some weird pissing contest going on between them but if Stevie believed his team wasn’t getting good leadership before, it is his time to provide that leadership now. Quote
Dan Gilmore Posted June 18 Posted June 18 Would Larkin okay a trade to Utah? (or Dallas, Florida, a Cali location) Agree that letting things drag on is suboptimal. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 18 Posted June 18 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Jason_R said: Reports on the one hand are that Stevie is not going to be rushed into trading Larkin. Reports on the other hand are that Kane is now weighing his options after having appeared eager to return. If Kane goes, is that a second domino that might knock ADB out of Detroit for his next contract? I think it is urgent for Steve to make this trade before or at the draft. It is encouraging to hear that Minnesota, Florida, Dallas, and maybe SJ, Anaheim, Vegas, and Utah are in the picture. The trade Iyer sketched out is reasonable and if Yzerman gets that offer he should take it. The one thing Steve can’t do s to sit around and wait for a perfect deal, especially if he is doing it to spite Larkin. I don’t know if there was some weird pissing contest going on between them but if Stevie believed his team wasn’t getting good leadership before, it is his time to provide that leadership now. who knows if anything being printed is accurate, but if Kane and ADB will be looking to move on that's not going to leave Yzerman with much choice but to go for a major reset. I guess I'd feel sorry for McLelland in all this but OTOH, if the locker room had gone sour you can't help but lay some of that at his doorstep, so maybe sympathy would not be deserved. 🤷♂️ Edited June 18 by gehringer_2 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 18 Posted June 18 21 minutes ago, Dan Gilmore said: Would Larkin okay a trade to Utah? (or Dallas, Florida, a Cali location) Agree that letting things drag on is suboptimal. CA would be a big hike in state income tax for him. Minn also has a graduated state income tax. MN would more than double MI but still less than CA. Still, I imagine the team and teammates are going to weigh more heavily in the decision than $$. Quote
Dan Gilmore Posted June 19 Posted June 19 Yeah, I wasn’t even thing about taxes. 🤔 I assumed his preference is top end contender, playing with his buddies, then location… no idea how set he is on any of those. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 19 Posted June 19 (edited) The other factor here is Chris Ilitch, any decision to try and tough out this incremental build versus biting the bullet and reloading will surely have to go through ownership and he's not been heard from either. He's got to be a little frosted but of course the question is at whom? In all the years of Ilitch sports ownership how many athletes have ever asked to get out of detroit mid-contract on either the Wings or Tigers? Not something that is supposed to happen. Edited June 19 by gehringer_2 Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted June 19 Posted June 19 10 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: The other factor here is Chris Ilitch, any decision to try and tough out this incremental build versus biting the bullet and reloading will surely have to go through ownership and he's not been heard from either. He's got to be a little frosted but of course the question is at whom? In all the years of Ilitch sports ownership how many athletes have ever asked to get out of detroit mid-contract on either the Wings or Tigers? Not something that is supposed to happen. I doubt Chris Ilitch is frosted and I doubt he cares all that much. When you run a crime family like he and his slumlord father have for years, the focus is likely on the other rackets they've had going. He makes so much money gouging people for parking at one of his lots, letting buildings depreciate for tax write-offs, and conning Detroit taxpayers out of hundreds-of-millions in abatements and subsidies. All this makes sports largely secondary. He cares as much about this team as he does developing the District Detroit. I'll put it that way. And that should show you how much he cares. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 19 Posted June 19 35 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: I doubt Chris Ilitch is frosted and I doubt he cares all that much. When you run a crime family like he and his slumlord father have for years, the focus is likely on the other rackets they've had going. He makes so much money gouging people for parking at one of his lots, letting buildings depreciate for tax write-offs, and conning Detroit taxpayers out of hundreds-of-millions in abatements and subsidies. All this makes sports largely secondary. He cares as much about this team as he does developing the District Detroit. I'll put it that way. And that should show you how much he cares. regardless, the teams are a huge part of the public perception of both he and the family, which means as terrible you paint him all the more reason to be concerned about maintaining the teams' images and a player that wants out is a bad look for the org. Quote
NorthWoods Posted June 19 Posted June 19 2 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: I doubt Chris Ilitch is frosted and I doubt he cares all that much. When you run a crime family like he and his slumlord father have for years, the focus is likely on the other rackets they've had going. He makes so much money gouging people for parking at one of his lots, letting buildings depreciate for tax write-offs, and conning Detroit taxpayers out of hundreds-of-millions in abatements and subsidies. All this makes sports largely secondary. He cares as much about this team as he does developing the District Detroit. I'll put it that way. And that should show you how much he cares. GeographicReference I knew he didn't care when he vetoed the Valdez/Jansen/Verlader signings this spring. 1 Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted June 19 Posted June 19 4 minutes ago, NorthWoods said: I knew he didn't care when he vetoed the Valdez/Jansen/Verlader signings this spring. Just because he didn't veto the trades doesn't mean he cares. He let his GM do his job. I guess he cared enough to fire Al Avila. Yet, Yzerman, who has had no more success than Avila did, is still around. Rebuilding a baseball team takes essentially the same amount of time as it does in hockey. Yet here we are with Yzerman still here and no more success than Avila had. Quote
NorthWoods Posted June 19 Posted June 19 Another proposed trade...ages would seem to work with the Seider timeline. https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/49110952/nhl-2026-trades-draft-picks-prospects-top-players-contracts Florida Panthers get: F Dylan Larkin, 2026 seventh-round pick (CGY) Detroit Red Wings get: F Anton Lundell, F Mackie Samoskevich, 2026 second-round pick (WSH) Lundell is a rising star down the middle, and has proved his worth at critical points in both the regular season and playoffs for Florida in recent years. The No. 12 pick in 2020 put up six goals and 18 points in the Panthers' last Stanley Cup run, and took on more responsibility with Barkov out last season, collecting 18 goals and 44 points in 64 games. Samoskevich was the Panthers' first-round pick in 2021 and is coming off a strong second season with 12 goals and 32 points in 77 games. The 23-year-old will continue to improve and would give the Red Wings a potential top-six winger option for years into the future. A second-round pick in this year's draft also helps Detroit in the long term to keep building its prospect depth. 1 1 Quote
Jason_R Posted June 19 Posted June 19 1 hour ago, NorthWoods said: Another proposed trade...ages would seem to work with the Seider timeline. https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/49110952/nhl-2026-trades-draft-picks-prospects-top-players-contracts Florida Panthers get: F Dylan Larkin, 2026 seventh-round pick (CGY) Detroit Red Wings get: F Anton Lundell, F Mackie Samoskevich, 2026 second-round pick (WSH) Lundell is a rising star down the middle, and has proved his worth at critical points in both the regular season and playoffs for Florida in recent years. The No. 12 pick in 2020 put up six goals and 18 points in the Panthers' last Stanley Cup run, and took on more responsibility with Barkov out last season, collecting 18 goals and 44 points in 64 games. Samoskevich was the Panthers' first-round pick in 2021 and is coming off a strong second season with 12 goals and 32 points in 77 games. The 23-year-old will continue to improve and would give the Red Wings a potential top-six winger option for years into the future. A second-round pick in this year's draft also helps Detroit in the long term to keep building its prospect depth. If this, or Lundell and 9OA, is on the table, Stevie should take it. 1 Quote
Shinzaki Posted June 19 Author Posted June 19 If Florida sends their 1st rd pick with Lundell and Samoskevich...I would do that Quote
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