Kicks and Giggles - What if the Tigers are buyers at the deadline..........

[AlaskanTigersFan]

I do not want this to happen but I'm bored. But what are some trades you'd do to strengthen the Tigers if they keep everyone and go for it.

Here's my ideas:

Trade Torkelson, Liranzo and Max Anderson to San Fran for Devers, Luis Arraez and Orion Kerkering

Trade Max Clark, H. Lee, Jack Flaherty to the Twins for Joe Ryan and Keaschall

Trade Rainer and Briceno to the Rockies for Moniack, and Troy Johnston

Trade Valdez to the Red Sox for Chapman

 

 

New lineup:

1 - Johnston - RF
2. Moniack - CF
3. McGonigle - SS
4. Greene - LF
5. Arraez - 3B
6. Devers - 1B
7. Dingler - C
8. Keaschall - DH
9. Keith - 2B

 

Rotation
Skubal
Joe Ryan
Mize
Montero
Melton

Bullpen
Kerkering
Chapman
Drew Anderson
Will Vest
Kenly Jansen
Ty Madden

The rest I don't really care about whose on the bench. 

 

Now that boys, is a world series team. What would be your trade ideas? 
 

[Tenacious D]

So happy you’re not our GM.

These trades would set the franchise back by at least 110 years.

[LongLiveMaroth]

8 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

I do not want this to happen but I'm bored. But what are some trades you'd do to strengthen the Tigers if they keep everyone and go for it.

Here's my ideas:

Trade Torkelson, Liranzo and Max Anderson to San Fran for Devers, Luis Arraez and Orion Kerkering

Trade Max Clark, H. Lee, Jack Flaherty to the Twins for Joe Ryan and Keaschall

Trade Rainer and Briceno to the Rockies for Moniack, and Troy Johnston

Trade Valdez to the Red Sox for Chapman

 

Now that boys, is a world series team. What would be your trade ideas? 
 

OK these have to be rage-bait right? Especially that Colorado one. 

 

[AlaskanTigersFan]

Just now, Tenacious D said:

So happy you’re not our GM.

These trades would set the franchise back by at least 110 years.

This is just an exercise (albeit dramatic). But what trades would you guys all see? 

As far as I'm concerned, not selling is borderline treason. So if we wanted to win a World Series, what trades would you do to get a ring? 

[Hongbit]

One deal is all that’s needed - Max Clark for Mason Miller.  

[Sports_Freak]

I have been thinking that the Tigers could actually be buyers and sellers. Trade Skubal for a couple of players who could help us now, not prospects who may or may not ever be ML players? I have no idea who but I would think it would have to be players who are under team control for at least 2 years?

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Hongbit said:

One deal is all that’s needed - Max Clark for Mason Miller.  

I don't think they're ready to punt on either Jackson Merrill or Fernando Tatis quite yet.

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

I do not want this to happen but I'm bored. But what are some trades you'd do to strengthen the Tigers if they keep everyone and go for it.

Here's my ideas:

Trade Torkelson, Liranzo and Max Anderson to San Fran for Devers, Luis Arraez and Orion Kerkering

Trade Max Clark, H. Lee, Jack Flaherty to the Twins for Joe Ryan and Keaschall

Trade Rainer and Briceno to the Rockies for Moniack, and Troy Johnston

Trade Valdez to the Red Sox for Chapman

 

 

New lineup:

1 - Johnston - RF
2. Moniack - CF
3. McGonigle - SS
4. Greene - LF
5. Arraez - 3B
6. Devers - 1B
7. Dingler - C
8. Keaschall - DH
9. Keith - 2B

 

Rotation
Skubal
Joe Ryan
Mize
Montero
Melton

Bullpen
Kerkering
Chapman
Drew Anderson
Will Vest
Kenly Jansen
Ty Madden

The rest I don't really care about whose on the bench. 

 

Now that boys, is a world series team. What would be your trade ideas? 
 

Do you not have much time left on this Earth? Because this is kind of a ****-the-future-I don't-have-much-time-left-on-this-Earth plan.

[Hongbit]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

I don't think they're ready to punt on either Jackson Merrill or Fernando Tatis quite yet.

Merrill has been terrible this year but they wouldn’t have to punt on him.  Keep him and figure out who plays center and who goes to left. They’d do freaking cartwheels if someone was willing to take that Tatis contract off their hands.    

[AlaskanTigersFan]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

Do you not have much time left on this Earth? Because this is kind of a ****-the-future-I don't-have-much-time-left-on-this-Earth plan.

No I'm just bored. And the fact that 95% of the people posting here are delusional thinking if we keep Skubal we can win the World Series. So if they want to win the World Series so bad, I think this is what it'd take to do that. Not just sit with the team we have.

On top of that, it was just meant to be a fun exercise of what trades people would like to see if the Tigers were actually going for it. I wouldn't do any of the deals I mentioned as I am the #1 fan of being a seller this year. But that's what it'd take to put us in the WS conversation.

Although Hongbit was nice enough to indulge in a trade that'd make the team better. Sure would make some games more exciting. (Would screw us for the next decade almost as much as NOT trading Skubal, but at least he partook in the exercise). 

[chasfh]

11 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

No I'm just bored. And the fact that 95% of the people posting here are delusional thinking if we keep Skubal we can win the World Series. So if they want to win the World Series so bad, I think this is what it'd take to do that. Not just sit with the team we have.

On top of that, it was just meant to be a fun exercise of what trades people would like to see if the Tigers were actually going for it. I wouldn't do any of the deals I mentioned as I am the #1 fan of being a seller this year. But that's what it'd take to put us in the WS conversation.

Although Hongbit was nice enough to indulge in a trade that'd make the team better. Sure would make some games more exciting. (Would screw us for the next decade almost as much as NOT trading Skubal, but at least he partook in the exercise). 

That's fair. I think your trades are terrible. But at least you're taking a swing at it!

[monkeytargets39]

4 hours ago, Hongbit said:

One deal is all that’s needed - Max Clark for Mason Miller.  

No

[Hongbit]

17 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

No

This rotation with the best in the game at the end.   That’s a lethal combo that could get them over the top in the AL.  Miller is also under control until 2029 although he’d certainly get re-upped before. 

[4hzglory]

12 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

This rotation with the best in the game at the end.   That’s a lethal combo that could get them over the top in the AL.  Miller is also under control until 2029 although he’d certainly get re-upped before. 

I would strongly consider that, if the Tigers odds are over 35-40% at the deadline.  They would need to make sure to move enough $ to get under the luxury tax for the draft pick reasons - Send out more than Miller would cost for the rest of the season, but that's the type of player that may be worth Clark IMO.

[CMRivdogs]

5 hours ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

I do not want this to happen but I'm bored. But what are some trades you'd do to strengthen the Tigers if they keep everyone and go for it.

Here's my ideas:

Trade Torkelson, Liranzo and Max Anderson to San Fran for Devers, Luis Arraez and Orion Kerkering

Trade Max Clark, H. Lee, Jack Flaherty to the Twins for Joe Ryan and Keaschall

Trade Rainer and Briceno to the Rockies for Moniack, and Troy Johnston

Trade Valdez to the Red Sox for Chapman

 

 

New lineup:

1 - Johnston - RF
2. Moniack - CF
3. McGonigle - SS
4. Greene - LF
5. Arraez - 3B
6. Devers - 1B
7. Dingler - C
8. Keaschall - DH
9. Keith - 2B

 

Rotation
Skubal
Joe Ryan
Mize
Montero
Melton

Bullpen
Kerkering
Chapman
Drew Anderson
Will Vest
Kenly Jansen
Ty Madden

The rest I don't really care about whose on the bench. 

 

Now that boys, is a world series team. What would be your trade ideas? 
 

Only folks who manage ABBA or OOTP solo projects get these type of rosters. I’m dubious you’d even get this in OOTP since their AI GM’s are smarter than this

Edited July 16 by CMRivdogs

[AlaskanTigersFan]

23 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Only folks who manage ABBA or OOTP solo projects get these type of rosters. I’m dubious you’d even get this in OOTP since their AI GM’s are smarter than this

I'm a stratomatic guy myself. And I'll just say, my roster's pretty good 🙂

 

I think ya'll are not understanding the point of this thread. I'm a little concerned with the mental health around here. 

Let me re-explain.

If the Tigers were to go for it, what trades would you like to see the Tigers do? 🙂 

This team would get bounced so fast in the first round. So since 95% of you want to keep Skubal, what would we need to do to make it worth keeping him? Because going into playoffs with this team is an early exit and wasting the value of trading Skubal, Mize, Torres and Flaherty...... So again, for the 4th time. What trades would you like to see the Tigers do if we were to go for it 🙂

You can be creative, throw things out there. Just curious. No need to flame people. (Again, I wouldn't do a single one of my trades but that's what I think it'd almost take to justify keeping Skubal.....)

[4hzglory]

7 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

I'm a stratomatic guy myself. And I'll just say, my roster's pretty good 🙂

 

I think ya'll are not understanding the point of this thread. I'm a little concerned with the mental health around here. 

Let me re-explain.

If the Tigers were to go for it, what trades would you like to see the Tigers do? 🙂 

This team would get bounced so fast in the first round. So since 95% of you want to keep Skubal, what would we need to do to make it worth keeping him? Because going into playoffs with this team is an early exit and wasting the value of trading Skubal, Mize, Torres and Flaherty...... So again, for the 4th time. What trades would you like to see the Tigers do if we were to go for it 🙂

You can be creative, throw things out there. Just curious. No need to flame people. (Again, I wouldn't do a single one of my trades but that's what I think it'd almost take to justify keeping Skubal.....)

The point where we disagree is that if we make the playoffs we are an early exit.

With our pitching, especially only needing 3-4 starters in the playoffs, and our offense like it’s been every month but May, I think our chances of the ALCS/World Series are as high as any other team in the A.L.

 

And with the pitching, anything can happen in a 7 game series, even against the Dodgers.

 

The issue is getting to October with the hole they dug in May.

[4hzglory]

And if the next 2 weeks get us have us within 2-3 games and 33%or higher playoff odds, I’m ok not making any trades.

 

Whoever we acquire, at least $1 mil more in prorated salary needs to go.

I did mention that I’d be ok with Hongbit’s proposal as long as enough salary went out to cover Miller’s remaining 2026 salary.  We can’t lose the value of the draft picks if we are keeping Skubal/Mize.

[monkeytargets39]

2 hours ago, Hongbit said:

This rotation with the best in the game at the end.   That’s a lethal combo that could get them over the top in the AL.  Miller is also under control until 2029 although he’d certainly get re-upped before. 

I want Clark hitting in front of McGonigle for the future though.  

[Hongbit]

43 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I want Clark hitting in front of McGonigle for the future though.  

Nothing wrong with that but I want to focus on the now.  This team is good enough to lose to the Dodgers with a few improvements.  Miller is a proven star unlike Clark who is still very much a lotto ticket.  

[4hzglory]

41 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Nothing wrong with that but I want to focus on the now.  This team is good enough to lose to the Dodgers with a few improvements.  Miller is a proven star unlike Clark who is still very much a lotto ticket.  

I do think Clark is a fairly safe bet to provide considerable value getting on base, base running, and defense.  In other words I think he has a fairly high floor at this point.  The questions are how quick and will he be a star.

 

Edited July 17 by 4hzglory

[papalawrence]

I see Clark as being a solid contributor and Ranier having the better chance at becoming a star. His exit velo is crazy and several of his dingers have been oppo. Clark could become Corbin Caroll 2.0, but Caroll showed more in the minors. I just have a gut feeling about Ranier. But maybe that's the pecan brittle that I had after dinner.

[chasfh]

15 hours ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

I think ya'll are not understanding the point of this thread. I'm a little concerned with the mental health around here. 

Heyyyyy

[1984Echoes]

(1) Max Clark, Rainer, Cris Rodriguez, Spencer Torkelson...

To the Reds for Sal Stewart and Elly De La Cruz.

(2) Liranzo, Valencia and Montero...

To the Royals for Carter Jensen

(3) Kenley Jansen, Kelvis Salcedo and Ben Jacobs...

To the Mets for Luke Weaver and Brooks Raley.

 

New Tigers Roster:

C - Dillon Dingler/ Carter Jensen

1B - Sal Stweart/ Keith/ Jensen

2B - McGonigle/ Lee or Max Anderson

SS - De La Cruz/ McGonigle/ Baez/ McKinstry

3B - Keith/ Vierling/ McKinstry

LF - Greene/ Vierling

CF - Outman/ Baez

RF - Carpenter/ Vierling

DH - whoever needs a half day off

 

Rotation: Skubal/ Mize/ Valdez/ Melton/ Flaherty

Bullpen: (one of Melton or Flaherty moves to the bullpen in the playoffs, add Verlander/ Jobe here if either comes back...). Middle: Drew Anderson, Ty Madden, Brant Hurter. Setup and closer-by-committee: (Jobe/ JV), one of Melton/ Flaherty, Holton, Luke Weaver, Brooks Raley, Brieske, Waguespack, Finnegan... one of Vest or Enmanuel De Jesus if they make it back and another reliever is needed?

[Tiger337]

18 hours ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

No I'm just bored. And the fact that 95% of the people posting here are delusional thinking if we keep Skubal we can win the World Series.

It is not delusional to think the Tigers can win the World Series if they keep Skubal.  They can.  Will they?  Probably not.  Only one team out of thirty is going to win the World series, so no team has good odds.  Even the Dodgers are not likely to win.  Fangraphs has them at 27% probability for whatever that's worth.  If they had the playoffs right now and the Tigers were in it, I think they would be as competitive as most teams due to their starting rotation.  They need to get there first though.  The next two weeks will determine whether it's worth going for it.  They will need a hot streak during that period.