Media Meltdown and also Media Bias 101

[chasfh]

9 hours ago, GalagaGuy said:

Kimmel is going scorched earth on Trump and Carr.   

Why not? Does he really have anything to lose at this point?

[CMRivdogs]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

Call to violence from FN propagandists don't have any potential expectation of violence do they? 

Fox News broadcaster suggests UN should be 'bombed' over Donald Trump escalator malfunction | News US | Metro News

Good thing the First Lady took action and started walking. Who knows how long Dear Leader would have been stuck on that contraption 

[chasfh]

16 minutes ago, pfife said:

The lefts rhetoric caused this

They are literally inviting some hella motivated viewer to bomb the UN.

[oblong]

4 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Good thing the First Lady took action and started walking. Who knows how long Dear Leader would have been stuck on that contraption 

She must have been a Mitch Hedberg fan

[oblong]

how can this guy be so stupid?  

 

[CMRivdogs]

1 minute ago, oblong said:

how can this guy be so stupid?  

 

Are you sure it's Morgan or his viewers. I have money on the latter 

[romad1]

MEDIA REFORM NOW. 

DISAGGREGATE MEDIA

REPEAL CITIZENS UNITED

[CMRivdogs]

7 minutes ago, romad1 said:

MEDIA REFORM NOW. 

DISAGGREGATE MEDIA

REPEAL CITIZENS UNITED

Murrow was right, 

—“This instrument can teach, it can illuminate, yes, and it can even inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise, it is nothing but wires and lights in a box”

The other part of that RTNDA speech...

if the medium is driven only by profit and comfort, it will not inform citizens enough to sustain democracy.

This is where we are now. Deregulate the media.When the Fairness Doctrine died...it became anarchy 

[romad1]

19 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Murrow was right, 

—“This instrument can teach, it can illuminate, yes, and it can even inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise, it is nothing but wires and lights in a box”

The other part of that RTNDA speech...

if the medium is driven only by profit and comfort, it will not inform citizens enough to sustain democracy.

This is where we are now. Deregulate the media.When the Fairness Doctrine died...it became anarchy 

regulate media ownership

[CMRivdogs]

7 minutes ago, romad1 said:

regulate media ownership

Supposedly there are regulations limiting the number of TV and/or Radio stations a company can own in a single market. Or a number of stations in the US overall.

Personally I feel the problem is when they eliminated the Fairness Doctrine in the late 1980s. The reasoning was the growth of other media, like cable at the time eliminated the need to have a well regulated structure insuring all voices be heard on a subject.

Since then "News" has become monetized. It's no longer what's true or tactful, but what brings in the most eyeballs or clicks or whatever. Now that every Tom, **** or Mary can create a podcast or a U-Tube , or a Tic-Toc platform it's become the Wild West.

I'm not sure what the solution is now that things like Public Media have become a political football in many circles. 

If more regulation would actually require independent accountability. I'm all for it. But I think it goes deeper. And there is no correct answer in today's political climate.

 

[romad1]

56 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Supposedly there are regulations limiting the number of TV and/or Radio stations a company can own in a single market. Or a number of stations in the US overall.

Personally I feel the problem is when they eliminated the Fairness Doctrine in the late 1980s. The reasoning was the growth of other media, like cable at the time eliminated the need to have a well regulated structure insuring all voices be heard on a subject.

Since then "News" has become monetized. It's no longer what's true or tactful, but what brings in the most eyeballs or clicks or whatever. Now that every Tom, **** or Mary can create a podcast or a U-Tube , or a Tic-Toc platform it's become the Wild West.

I'm not sure what the solution is now that things like Public Media have become a political football in many circles. 

If more regulation would actually require independent accountability. I'm all for it. But I think it goes deeper. And there is no correct answer in today's political climate.

 

Getting ahead of this will involve structures and norms that some people won't like.  We need those structures. 

[smr-nj]

The issue I see with media news is that, somewhere along the lines, (my estimate is about 30+ years ago) reporting the day’s news - most especially on television- became slanted towards it being entertainment. Once that happened, it was off to the races, and neutrally reporting a day’s events became obsolete.

I would guess newspaper reporting was, and still is, more vigilant with keeping the slant on the “opinion” pages, but a slant was always somewhat evident.

Now, the internet reporting “news” has NEVER been anything but a crap shoot, and for at least 20 years, if you’re getting your news exclusively from the Internet, you are reading a crap actual fact versus fiction.

[ewsieg]

No idea if there is legitimate news on this or someone just thought of it and put it on reddit, but there is a reddit post indicating that ABC could pull SEC football from Sinclear and Nexstar in response to them preempting Kimmel.

One of the comments:

"So, how did the American Revolution of 2025 start? A podcaster was killed in Utah and then ABC threatened not to air college football in the south."

As I laughed at that, my next thought was 150 years from now, some teacher explaining that a 2nd civil war started over football and some dumbass kid raising his hand to say it really wasn't about football itself, but rather states rights to be able to watch football'

[romad1]

22 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

The issue I see with media news is that, somewhere along the lines, (my estimate is about 30+ years ago) reporting the day’s news - most especially on television- became slanted towards it being entertainment. Once that happened, it was off to the races, and neutrally reporting a day’s events became obsolete.

I would guess newspaper reporting was, and still is, more vigilant with keeping the slant on the “opinion” pages, but a slant was always somewhat evident.

Now, the internet reporting “news” has NEVER been anything but a crap shoot, and for at least 20 years, if you’re getting your news exclusively from the Internet, you are reading a crap actual fact versus fiction.

Citizens are consumers only in the prevailing paradigm.   There is no conception of public good.  Even the dems appear to have abandoned that concept.   That statement covers a lot of ground.  We need a media shaped by the idea of public good.  There are many who think that public good means Christian patriarchy but I don't.  To me it means good citizenship and respect for fellow citizens no matter their class or ethnicity.  

 

[romad1]

9 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

No idea if there is legitimate news on this or someone just thought of it and put it on reddit, but there is a reddit post indicating that ABC could pull SEC football from Sinclear and Nexstar in response to them preempting Kimmel.

One of the comments:

"So, how did the American Revolution of 2025 start? A podcaster was killed in Utah and then ABC threatened not to air college football in the south."

As I laughed at that, my next thought was 150 years from now, some teacher explaining that a 2nd civil war started over football and some dumbass kid raising his hand to say it really wasn't about football itself, but rather states rights to be able to watch football'

Post by @jessehawken.bsky.social — Bluesky

Interesting

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ABC telling Sinclair affiliates who won’t show Jimmy Kimmel this week that there have been some changes to the college football schedule

 

[CMRivdogs]

39 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

The issue I see with media news is that, somewhere along the lines, (my estimate is about 30+ years ago) reporting the day’s news - most especially on television- became slanted towards it being entertainment. Once that happened, it was off to the races, and neutrally reporting a day’s events became obsolete.

I would guess newspaper reporting was, and still is, more vigilant with keeping the slant on the “opinion” pages, but a slant was always somewhat evident.

Now, the internet reporting “news” has NEVER been anything but a crap shoot, and for at least 20 years, if you’re getting your news exclusively from the Internet, you are reading a crap actual fact versus fiction.

On the TV side with the emergence of CNN and a bit later Fox it was fairly factual. Folks were glued to CNN during the first Iraqi War. Fox tried to compete but never really really could. 
That's when Fox decided to do the We Report, You Decide campaign. It seems everything changed with the 2000 contested election and Murdoch's political bent took over. 
Ted Turner saw the light, sold CNN and retired to Montana or someplace....                    The Gulf War followed by Obama's election made the gulf between opinion and News widen. Big $$$$$ won

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, romad1 said:

MEDIA REFORM NOW. 

DISAGGREGATE MEDIA

REPEAL CITIZENS UNITED

+1000

(minor note:, CU must be "reversed.")

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

Supposedly there are regulations limiting the number of TV and/or Radio stations a company can own in a single market. Or a number of stations in the US overall.

Personally I feel the problem is when they eliminated the Fairness Doctrine in the late 1980s. The reasoning was the growth of other media, like cable at the time eliminated the need to have a well regulated structure insuring all voices be heard on a subject.

Since then "News" has become monetized. It's no longer what's true or tactful, but what brings in the most eyeballs or clicks or whatever. Now that every Tom, **** or Mary can create a podcast or a U-Tube , or a Tic-Toc platform it's become the Wild West.

I'm not sure what the solution is now that things like Public Media have become a political football in many circles. 

If more regulation would actually require independent accountability. I'm all for it. But I think it goes deeper. And there is no correct answer in today's political climate.

 

Another issue is just that all media has to brought under the regulatory tent. One of the major justifications broadcasters have used to argue for looser regulation on them (and rightfully so) is that their competition is nearly totally unregulated. Cable and IP have be to refined by Congress as public utilities and brought under oversight so everyone is on a level playing field. 

Edited 6 hours ago by gehringer_2

[Motor City Sonics]

4 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

Are you sure it's Morgan or his viewers. I have money on the latter 

Okay Piers, let me know when Kimmel and his pals hack into a dead 13 year old girl's phone mailbox making her family believe she's checking her messages.     When Jimmy does that, come back and see me, you ghoul.  

[Motor City Sonics]

If you have never seen the 1976 film Network - you might want to check it out.    So perfectly predicted television news' future.  I mean NAILED it. 

[romad1]

3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Another issue is just that all media has to brought under the regulatory tent. One of the major justifications broadcasters have used to argue for looser regulation on them (and rightfully so) is that their competition is nearly totally unregulated. Cable and IP have be to refined by Congress as public utilities and brought under oversight so everyone is on a level playing field. 

I'm down...lets do that.  

[CMRivdogs]

7 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

If you have never seen the 1976 film Network - you might want to check it out.    So perfectly predicted television news' future.  I mean NAILED it. 

I'd put Broadcast News in there too. Or at least they nailed it at the time..

[chasfh]

I agree with Gary Cohen here, but the comments are just wild. 

 

[romad1]

40 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

+1000

(minor note:, CU must be "reversed.")

my mind is searching for all the language of the anti-Roe people and it hung up on the right word.  

yeah, edit is right. 

[mtutiger]

8 hours ago, chasfh said:

lol almost

There was a hint of sarcasm mixed in there