Media Meltdown and also Media Bias 101

[ewsieg]

21 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

your point is valid that in the abstract, everyone needs to learn to be a responsible citizen regardless of their economic or racial circumstances. The question is whether constructing hurdles to voting that have no other factually supportable purpose than to be hurdles is even a remotely good or effective way to this.

An ID for a ballot was put in place just to screw over POC?  C'mon Man </Biden voice>

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

An ID for a ballot was put in place just to screw over POC?  C'mon Man </Biden voice>

well, you tell me.  Since most states get by perfectly well without it and voter fraud is virtually non-existent in any state, who put it in place and why?

Just a bunch of petty bureaucrats who think dotted i's need be dotted better? If so they need to get over themselves. If not that, any alternative explanation says something less attractive....

Edited 5 hours ago by gehringer_2

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

well, you tell me.  Since most states get by perfectly well without it and voter fraud is virtually non-existent in any state, who put it in place and why?

Just a bunch of petty bureaucrats who think dotted i's need be dotted better? If so they need to get over themselves. If not that, any alternative explanation says something less attractive....

actually, I'll answer my own question. There is one case where the voter bringing in an ID, particularly a machine readable one like an MDL, is if you have a precinct with 5 guys named Joe Smith. That's a case were the particular ID, tied to some other unique identifier like an MDL# serves a legitimate use in administering the election and insuring the Joe Smith #3 doesn't get to polls only to be told he has already voted because a poll worker entered Joe Smith #2 as having voted at Joe Smith #3. Now it that enough justify the burden on every voter? Obviously SCOTUS has said yes because they haven't overturned the requirement anywhere. Personally, I'd say you can get the same result if ID is optional and you advise people with really common names that they are the best served if they bring ID if they have it,  without burdening everyone. 

In MI ID is requested but you can get a provisional ballot if you don't have it. That's not a terrible compromise.