Deleterious Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 Drops the Cowboys because of Jones being in a picture 70 years ago. Only to become a Browns fan and support Watson? Quote
buddha Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 if deshaun watson looked like jerry jones, lebron james would be protesting the browns. but he looks like lebron, so lebron doesnt care. Quote
Deleterious Posted January 2, 2023 Author Posted January 2, 2023 We should get those guys on the same team. Quote
Deleterious Posted January 3, 2023 Author Posted January 3, 2023 Donovan Mitchell had 71 points tonight. 22-34 from the field. 7-15 from three. 20-25 from the line. Quote
Betrayer Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 41 minutes ago, Deleterious said: Donovan Mitchell had 71 points tonight. 22-34 from the field. 7-15 from three. 20-25 from the line. It’s ok, Kennard has 3 points so far tonight. I’m not still bitter about that one. Nope. Not at all. Quote
buddha Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 the pendulum has swung too far, lets change some rules to let teams play some defense again. 2 Quote
Hongbit Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 I haven’t really been watching too much this season but have been following Pistons scores. I couldn’t believe they were giving up 118 a game and I was blown to see that wasn’t even worst in the league. There are 13 teams allowing more than 115 a night. Crazy. Quote
casimir Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 6 hours ago, buddha said: the pendulum has swung too far, lets change some rules to let teams play some defense again. 7 minutes ago, Hongbit said: I haven’t really been watching too much this season but have been following Pistons scores. I couldn’t believe they were giving up 118 a game and I was blown to see that wasn’t even worst in the league. There are 13 teams allowing more than 115 a night. Crazy. The rules are certainly in favor of more offense. But it also seems as though the realization has set in where defensive "effort" is waning, and why blame players/teams for wasting time on defense? Sure, guard the rim and the 3 line. Everywhere in between, allow the shot and (1) get the rebound or (2) get set on the other end for a quick layup or 3. Quote
Deleterious Posted January 4, 2023 Author Posted January 4, 2023 The increased 3PT shooting has a bigger impact on scoring than any defensive changes. When the 04 Pistons won teams shot 14 3 pointers per game. Today they shoot 34 per game. Those teams had to guard 20 feet in, now you have to guard 30 feet in. It opens things up so much. The ability to drive, the ability cut and pass, the defensive can't help as much. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Deleterious said: The increased 3PT shooting has a bigger impact on scoring than any defensive changes. When the 04 Pistons won teams shot 14 3 pointers per game. Today they shoot 34 per game. Those teams had to guard 20 feet in, now you have to guard 30 feet in. It opens things up so much. The ability to drive, the ability cut and pass, the defensive can't help as much. I still find it so bizarre that it took 35 yrs for players and coaches to finally learn/accept how high a shooting percentage was possible for human beings at 24'. You would have thought the game would have gotten to where it is today at least 20 years ago once the league was fully populated by players that grew up with it. The long game has been waiting there all along, just waiting for enough Stef Currys to finally prove it to the doubters I guess. And of course here we are in Detroit, on our third or fourth generation of team management that still refuses to understand the primacy of shooting skill. Edited January 4, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote
Deleterious Posted January 4, 2023 Author Posted January 4, 2023 Antoine Walker was way ahead of the game. Quote
buddha Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Deleterious said: The increased 3PT shooting has a bigger impact on scoring than any defensive changes. When the 04 Pistons won teams shot 14 3 pointers per game. Today they shoot 34 per game. Those teams had to guard 20 feet in, now you have to guard 30 feet in. It opens things up so much. The ability to drive, the ability cut and pass, the defensive can't help as much. free them up to hand check again and i bet that number goes down. on the one hand, 71 points for donovan mitchell and every other scorer seemingly getting 50 per night is ridoculous. otoh, nobody wants to go back to the 90s and early 00s of 70 point games. 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, buddha said: free them up to hand check again and i bet that number goes down. on the one hand, 71 points for donovan mitchell and every other scorer seemingly getting 50 per night is ridoculous. otoh, nobody wants to go back to the 90s and early 00s of 70 point games. yeah - the game is sort of out of whack, but I don't know what the answer would be - you can't move the 3pt line back any further without widening the court, which seems unlikely. I think what you want is for fans to able to see some effect of team play or apparent coordinated strategy having an impact on the game as opposed to just an exhibition of which players have a hot shooting hand at the moment. The latter will always play a big part in basketball but I don't think you want it to be only/all that. Edited January 4, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote
buddha Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: yeah - the game is sort of out of whack, but I don't know what the answer would be - you can't move the 3pt line back any further without widening the court, which seems unlikely. I think what you want is for fans to able to see some effect of team play or apparent coordinated strategy having an impact on the game as opposed to just an exhibition of which players have a hot shooting hand at the moment. The latter will always play a big part in basketball but I don't think you want it to be only/all that. there has been all sorts of rule change talk. putting a "3 second rule" for the corner so you cant have a shooter camped out there. decreasing the size of the lane to get teams to emphasize the big man again. allow hand checking and more physical defense. 1 Quote
Betrayer Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, buddha said: there has been all sorts of rule change talk. putting a "3 second rule" for the corner so you cant have a shooter camped out there. decreasing the size of the lane to get teams to emphasize the big man again. allow hand checking and more physical defense. I'd love to see it. Bringing back some defense doesn't stop offensive teams from winning games, but it does create another strategy you could build your team around. Right now it's pretty one-dimensional. Quote
Deleterious Posted January 7, 2023 Author Posted January 7, 2023 Was going to post the entire league but it wouldn't let me copy/paste. For context. Jokic is at 302 points added and Luka is #2 at 299. Last in the entire league is Jabari Smith at -88. Quote
Deleterious Posted January 7, 2023 Author Posted January 7, 2023 Ooops meant to add Durant is #3 but a huge drop off from Luka. Durant is only 205 points added. Quote
Deleterious Posted January 8, 2023 Author Posted January 8, 2023 As a Mavs (Luka) fan, please god don't do this to me. Be smart, go get Burks at half the price and without the dumb contract. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 8, 2023 Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Deleterious said: Franz turned out to be a good pick. Third most win-shares from his draft. Edited January 8, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote
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