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Besides, it’s a bad world anyway and a plain old good baseball game takes the edge off of it. Case in point, Hayden Panettiere died overnight. She was fantastic in the video game Until Dawn that I played with my son many years ago. And she’s been in tons of stuff I’ve never watched. Savor this season while it lasts no matter what. Baseball is the cure.

Large Marge sent me.....

Yep. If Det truly wants to make a run at the post season Framber needs to pitch well

I have rarely seen a bullpen that has blown so many games. So, either it's a bad bullpen or it's not being managed properly or it's unlucky. It could be partially luck, but they don't have one reliever who can be trusted in a high leverage spot. And it's not necessarily a mental thing. As a staff, they don't get a lot of strikeouts and are dependent on fielders to make plays, so they leave a lot to chance and these types of pitchers are not well suited to high leverage roles. So, while they may be competent low-leverage pitchers, they may not be competent high leverage relievers. That's my theory.

Well said good man! I've been in a similar place. Working a career with mentally ill homeless keeps life in perspective. I see the Tigers as mostly playing with house money at this point. It's been such a crazy season. No team has ever made the playoffs being 16 games under .500 heading into June. Then the Tigers trade 2 of their best pitchers. Still hopeful they get into the post season, but I'm not all-in fully with my expectations. I'd rather enjoy my Culver's cod sandwich and not dwell on the weekend sweep.

I don’t think the ability to re-sign a player once they enter free agency is much of a factor at all for modern front offices. So I agree that the decision to trade Mize had little to do with their ability to do so. I think it was just a standard value proposition. To the extent we might choose to reverse this trade today (maybe less so after the sweep, but in general when things looked even better on Friday morning) doesn’t really matter when considering the decision being made two weeks ago. I think in the case of Mize, they valued the prospect they got back substantially higher than the value of a comp pick in the next draft. And I think another big part of it is that the value of Casey Mize over two months relative to his replacement isn’t significant. I think the tigers are 3-3 in games started from the Skubal and Mize rotation spots since Skubal’s final start.

What if they did bring in bullpen help in those 2 trades that we just won’t see for a couple weeks? I’d imagine that’s where Ryan ends up in September. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Wolf up shortly as his first 2 outings away from the PCL have been considerably improved.

How is every veteran not infuriated by this?

Could really use an ace type performance Framber.

There's a rumor going around that there's a woman whose main job is to 'zap' him whenever he nods off. What a time to be alive!

Saying the quiet part out loud...

I would think that pitchers with two or more plus pitches would be considered more valuable to teams as starters than relievers, especially if they have more than two. And particularly if they have the stamina to be starters. I think those guys just might be too rare to have the luxury of repurposing them to become bullpen pieces to suit this particular team this particular year. But even past performance as a shutdown guy is no guarantee of future performance as a shutdown guy. Notice how Houston has no one who qualifies above as shutdown this year? They do have three guys in their pen who qualified last year: Steven Okert, Bennett Sousa, and Josh Hader. This year, though, Sousa's K rate has collapsed and BB rate has ballooned; and while Okert has kept his walk rate in check, his K rate is also way down. Only Hader is close, although both his K rate and BB rate are worse this year than last. This is an imprecise science, this bullpen building. That said, it is fairly an Achilles heel in Harris's armor to date, and I can only assume he has initially prioritized other aspects of getting the franchise on its track toward perennial contending—such as drafting, development, infrastructure upgrades, etc.—over spending time, treasure, and limited attention capital to getting a shutdown bullpen in place right now. I'm guessing that's a within-the-next-couple-of-seasons thing. I'm not saying this because this is what I want—it's just what I am hypothesizing is happening.

August 17 1923 Henry Ford, Thomas Edison and Harvey Firestone arrive in Escanaba, Michigan Henry Ford, Thomas Edison and Harvey Firestone — the famous trio known as the “Vagabonds” — arrived in Escanaba aboard Ford’s yacht Sialia to begin a week-long camping expedition through Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. The trip wasn’t exactly “roughing it.” The party included their wives, staff, chauffeurs, several Lincoln automobiles, an Edison generator and enough provisions to make a lumber camp look pretty comfortable. They traveled through the U.P., including Ford’s operations around Iron Mountain. There are reports the trio began testing Firestone's Balloon Tires (not substantiated) https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/august-17?cmpid=email-hist-tdih-2026-0817-08172026&om_rid=&~campaign=hist-tdih-2026-0817

Agreed. In the grand scheme of things, it doesnt really matter. I was even able to turn the game off yesterday and go out and do yard work. Not even surprised our BP blew another game. What's that, about 20 games this season? Or more?

I could be wrong, but I am not sure leverage experience in the minors translates into leverage success in the majors. Physically, you want guys that get a lot of strikeouts with a minimum of walks which I think can come from any role. And I think any mental aspect of leverage relieving is going to to so much more intense in a major league environment that it can only be learned in the majors.

Aw hell nah its on now https://securityaffairs.com/191059/security/bluesky-hit-by-24-hour-ddos-attack-as-pro-iran-group-claims-responsibility.html

Chin up! We still have six weeks of baseball left!

We are right at the top of the league in runs scored since June 1. I know you are at least my age (52). It’s not good for us in life to be so up and down by what happens each day (or week) and not put it in context in the grand scheme of things.

Problem with that theory is that it presupposes there’s a heart in there somewhere.

To your point about the public wanting certainties, I have found that most people, even a lot of smart ones, have a difficult time with the concept of probability. I am not talking about mathematical probability, but just the concept of probably versus maybe or certainly. The vast majority of debates I have had with people over the years have involved people not able or not willing to deal with probability. Most people tend to think either in terms of yes or no or just possibilities. That is OK in sports, but not in anything involving science or any of the important issues of the day.

Scientists are the type of nerds that leave their small home towns, go away to fancy colleges and then become elitists. I think that is the basis of the anti-science movement. It's mostly jealousy, but it's dangerous.

The Rug Doctor.

Read those yesterday in the paper. Mostly low info blowharding idiots......but media depends on those people for material and the majority of their readers.

Rather than create a new topic (or do a search if this has been done before) Covers that are better than the original. Aretha Franklin Respect (over Otis Redding) Johnny Cash "Hurt" Joe Cocker With a Little Help From My Friends Jimi Hendrix All Along the Watchtower Linda Ronstadt Willin' Marvin Gaye I Heard it Thru the Grapevine. (Keep in mind I'm a child of the late 60 and 70s...) Have at it

https://www.nytimes.com/1977/05/20/archives/fidrych-impressive-in-exhibition-test.html Fidrych Impressive In Exhibition Test CINCINNATI, May 19 (UPI)—Mark Fidrych, tuning up for his first regular‐season start next week, pitched impressively for seven innings tonight in the Detroit Tigers’ 4‐1 exhibition victory over the Cincinnati Reds. Fidrych, who said he was completely recovered from a knee injury that occurred during spring training, pitched the third through the ninth innings and gave up four hits and one run. Working quickly and smoothly as he did last year, Fidrych made only 80 pitches. He struck out three and walked only one. Fidrych said he would start May 27, when the Tigers play the expansion Seattle Mariners in Detroit. https://www.ebay.com/itm/357941089118 Here is a full unused ticket to the May 19, 1977 charity exhibition game between the Detroit Tigers and Cincinnati Reds at Riverfront Stadium, a 4-1 Tiger victory. This game was Mark Fidrych’s return to pitching against big leaguers right before returning to regular MLB action after knee surgery. He did not disappoint, dominating Pete Rose and the Reds for 7 innings and giving up just 1 run. The Tigers declared him ready after the game and he returned to The Show on May 27. He soon hurled 6 shutouts and notched a 6-4 WL with a 2.89 ERA in eleven starts but suffered an undiagnosed rotator cuff injury. His season ended on July 12. He later appeared in only 16 games over the following 3 years and retired. This ticket is a rare and historic item for the Fidrych collector.