1984Echoes

I'm sorry, not to be rude, but... That statement is completely and totally laughable. The existence of science is NO evidence, whatsoever, of a god. None.

What are you TALKING about? The individual scientist matters ZERO in science, and you KNOW that. One scientist may offer a scientific theory, any scientific theory... which does NOT matter at all... It is the 1,000's of tests OF that theory that matter. That prove or disprove a theory. That establish a preponderance of evidence that prove or disprove that theory. Newton's Theory of Gravity is awesome. Brilliant. But it matters not one whit versus the preponderance of tests, evidence, etc... that PROVE the Theory of Gravity. And what Newton "BELIEVED", about ANYTHING, not counting Gravity, changes NOT ONE THING about the Theory of Gravity.

That's called "reaching for straws". Science has ZERO evidence for "planned creation" because there is no such evidence. Except for humankind's story-telling fabrications. Sorry, but science rejects god.

But if it were just a genetic connection... You know, like Assassin's Creed (the movie, I don't know the software game all that well)... I would be good with that. PS: Was there a UFO last season...? I remember the UFO in season 2, which I alluded to above, in the first episode and in the penultimate episode... and those played major roles in the deaths of both Rye Gephardt and Bear Gephardt. That could have been a bit much... but it was the 70's so I thought it was perfectly acceptable.

Yes, it has. Are you telling me that SCIENCE ACCEPTS that "god" created the universe? Because that's a falsehood. It's a straight-up lie. That "god" created Homo Sapiens? No, science rejects that. It also rejects that god directed evolution. Note: I did NOT say that religion rejects science... and in fact, any believer must come to terms with what science has PROVEN. Religious believers must reconcile with science, not the other way around. Proven, that the Earth is NOT flat, that the universe does NOT revolve around the earth, that Homo Sapiens evolved and was NOT "created" by any god or god-like entity, that Earth DID spring up naturally in the natural evolution of the universe (which is 13.7 Billion years old, Earth is 4.5 Billion years old so it ABSOLUTELY was created in the same natural process that created our Sun, Mercury, Mars, Saturn & Pluto...). And yes, science rejects "god". Sorry.

Science also has rejected god.

And also Reese Olson and Kerry Carpenter and Jake Rogers and Parker Meadows and Garrett Hill and Jason Foley and Colt Keith and Matt Manning and Joey Wentz (errr, scratch that...), and Beau Brieske and Alex Faedo and Jace Jung... You know, for full disclosure... 😉

I'll give one more example... more-religion-based than prior example: I believe most religious texts state that the universe revolves around Earth. Not just the bible, but other religions and ancient mythologies as well. 400 years ago, everyone believed this. At least the majority did. The church did. In fact the church burned alive Giordano Bruno in 1600 in Rome, as a heretic, because he espoused that the Earth revolved around the sun, not the other way around. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Giordano-Bruno But the majority (at that time) believed the universe revolved around the Earth so, it must be true, right?

PS: The rejection of the existence of a god is due to the fact that it is ALL mankind-created. Through story-telling. Through fabrication. And through the evolution of Sun spirit to Sun God to the One God to Jesus, son of god.

Do you mean, like... When EVERYONE in the world thought this planet was flat? Because if a majority believes it, it must be true, right?

Well... That's because I know EVERYTHING. And I am ALWAYS RIGHT.

Which makes my follow up comments valid, I believe. But... to answer your question... I KNOW religious people question their beliefs. I have definitely challenged a lot of my friends with difficult questions.... 😉

I never said that. YOU stated "most people have a natural curiosity which makes them wonder about the origins and meaning of life. Not everybody goes through not questioning why we are here." Who exactly are YOU referring to here, as "not questioning"?

Don't make the assumption that atheism or secularism = not questioning. That's a pretty bold and false assumption. There are those who are actually able to question, and find real answers not rooted in myth.

What an infantile comment. That has absolutely nothing to do with ignorance.

This is the part that I know I've seen, but would like to rewatch to let it sink in further. Also, I didn't think supernatural at the time but more along the lines of the superstitions rampant in earlier times. I forget what he did after the ceremony also... which may be the supernatural derivation...

Oh wait... I was thinking only about Dot and not the assassin... I'm going to need to rewatch it. I'm getting old.

What makes it seem sustainable to me is that... They had PROBLEMS (yes, I am using all-caps)... And were able to correct them.

??? Supernatural was Fargo season 2. Season 5 I haven't seen anything about supernatural... it's all about spousal abuse, hiding from a violent spouse, Police abuse, and survival techniques.

YOU offered an asinine comment, and then tried to pass it off as a "joke". Just like Trump. I don't think that I am the problem in this instance.

Here is the first Greek Jesus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonius_of_Tyana Synopsis: "Apollonius of Tyana was a first-century Greek philosopher and religious leader from the town of Tyana, Cappadocia in Roman Anatolia, who spent his life travelling and teaching in the Middle East, North Africa and South Asia. He is a central figure in Neopythagoreanism and was one of the most famous "miracle workers" of his day. His exceptional personality and his mystical way of life, which was regarded as exemplary, impressed his contemporaries and had a lasting cultural influence. Numerous legends surrounding him and accounts of his life are contained in the extensive Life of Apollonius, which collects a large part of the legendary material about Apollonius' life and work. A large part of the ancient legends of Apollonius consist of numerous reports about miracles that he was said to have performed as a wandering sage with his lifelong companion Damis. He was tried for allegedly having used magic as a means of conspiring against the emperor; after his conviction and subsequent death-penalty, his followers believed he underwent heavenly ascension. Most modern scholars of antiquity agree that Apollonius existed historically..." It didn't take. Certainly, obviously, not as well as Paul's interpretation of Hebrew Yeshua.

Again, show examples of "unwaveringly ignorant".

Nothing I've said deserves this comment. No.. it appears to me that you are WAY, WAY too thin-skinned to hear anything that you don't agree with. I've offered no nasty snarls or hateful rhetoric. Show examples.

For the sake of argument, assume God does NOT exist, then try to come up with just exactly WHY a band of semi-literate bronze age nomads (or even nomadic hunter-gatherers from 50K years ago) would create a pagan world of horse spirits, wind spirits, etc. And WHY did paganism evolve into Polytheism in which "spirits" or "Titans" evolved into "Gods" that had more "control" over the population (from a clergical or monarchal perspective. IE: Egyptian "God-Kings" ruling over their population with complete control), and HOW did that evolve into a belief in one "God". Genesis 1-4 works 2,000 years ago. It no longer works. (Certainly not in secular Europe, who are more advanced thinkers than puritanical Americans). BTW: I have answers to all of the above questions I posed.

If you're talking about my post... my post was not insulting. It was a factual Paradox. A god cannot be omniscient and omnipotent but also a major screw-up. And you cannot claim, after "god" has gone through multiple extinction events (90-95% of all species exterminated in a meteoric collision or volcanic winter or... whatever the cause), millions of years of gradual evolutionary, and significant, changes from a walking chimpanzee (basically) to a walking/ talking Homo Sapiens, and then claim "god" is omnipotent and omniscient after all those (lucky for us) screw-ups. That is the paradox. Another paradox: If "god" is a screw-up and is not omnipotent or omniscient (as based upon the above), then he (or she) can NOT create the Universe out of nothing, and can NOT guide evolution (for 3.7 billion years, after the first cellular organisms generated), in order to create the "perfect" human. And with the multiple evolutionary disasters the past 3.7 billion years, there is no possible way to claim anyone's "god" is omnipotent or omniscient and has the power to create the Universe or guide evolution. Anther paradox. Those two are closely related but not exactly the same. No omnipotency means a lack of power to create the universe, and no omnisciency means a lack of foresight to have any idea where evolution will go. Those are not insults. They are simple paradoxical facts. Or... Catch-22. As for "the desire for spirituality that many people have:... go for it. Believe in whatever you wish to. I won't steal anyone's beliefs... but in a discussion of facts, I stick only to facts, not to any extraneous belief systems which rely NOT on any facts, but on simple story-telling. But I have a much simpler belief system for myself: Facts is facts.